qworster
join:2001-11-25
Los Angeles, CA | ICANN-blow me!
So ultimately, it comes down to ICANN following the Golden Rule: The one with the most gold makes all the rules! |
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kba4
join:2001-10-23
Canton, OH
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| broadband=opec 2?
there may be some similarities but that article just isn't sensible IMO.
for one thing, OPEC demanded that members use USD as their currency and took on the US Debt; no such demand exists with broadband. another point is that somehow a broadband 'cartel' will be formed if we don't head off some coming crunch; I don't see this happening ever.
The thing one must remember about the Internet is it was designed for the free exchange of ideas and information. If you want it fast (and let's be honest- it's not like the www is a public utility that everyone has a right to) then you gotta pay. Now I agree that the US is way behind, but the issue is broadband in general- meaning the faster on-ramps offered by ISP's other than free wi-fi and dialup. faster anything with computers costs more. there's no cartel holding our data ransom and for the most part our Internet is still working just as designed.
...unlike oil where there are lots of factors at work. As our debt grows the USD is falling below a lot of other currencies in the world, and a weak dollar means slower debt pay-off, and more (or longer lasting) debt equals higher inflation. unless taxes go up to pay the debt off faster than one of our enemies (read: OPEC members who don't trade in USD, or a country that invests heavily in their economy) buys our debt and owns everything we have- including our Internet.
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asdfdfdfdfdfdf
@Level3.net
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| verizon ... neutrality paranoia
""We need to guard against turning technical and business decisions into political decisions,""
"Both Comcast and Verizon said that engineers, not lawyers and lobbyists, should be making network management decisions."
Keep spouting your bs, trying to convince us that engineers are making the decisions at verizon and comcast.
Business decisions are often political decisions. Managers, marketing drones and bean counters drive company behavior. If decisions were made by engineers, for technical reasons, we wouldn't be having these debates. |
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tschmidt
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| reply to qworster
Re: ICANN-blow me!
I fail to see why we need even more TLD's. There needs to be an entirely new layer of abstraction above domain registration that maps trademarks/etc to domain name and then DNS translates URL to IP.
To a large degree search engines like Google already perform an analogous task. What is needed is national and international registration of company names and trademarks as Internet identifiers. This allows trademarked names to be translated to domain name, and domain name to IP address. Today we have overloaded DNS to act not only as a convenient naming service but businesses want a way to map trademarked product names to web sites.
/tom |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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Tulsa, OK | reply to qworster
These new domain rules are a nightmare. |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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Tulsa, OK | Just because we're Paranoid....
... Doesn't mean they really aren't out to get us!
So, Net Neutrality proponents are paranoid. Gee. Given the past history of the industry, they have every right to be. |
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supergirl
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| said by KrK :... Doesn't mean they really aren't out to get us! So, Net Neutrality proponents are paranoid. Gee. Given the past history of the industry, they have every right to be. Fox Mulder needs to investigate. Maybe he'll find his sister and that Aliens are behind the Internet. 
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supergirl
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Apple really is just a lot of stupid people that buy their crap to feel "superior". By the way, Pixar's last movie SUCKED!
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kruser
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| Who is ICANN?
Who is ICANN? Are they a government funded outfit?
If not a government funded outfit then how do they make money? Maybe by selling TLD's? If so then it should be illegal.
The internet was designed to be free for the most part. Look at it now, it is ripe with advertisments |
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KrK
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| reply to supergirl
Re: Just because we're Paranoid....
said by supergirl :Fox Mulder needs to investigate. Maybe he'll find his sister and that Aliens are behind the Internet. We already know that integrated circuits were reverse engineered from UFO wreckage....
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supergirl
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Re: ICANN-blow me!
said by qworster :So ultimately, it comes down to ICANN following the Golden Rule: The one with the most gold makes all the rules! Is ICANN smaoking Crack? They barely can be competent at what they do now.
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Dogfather
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Re: MobileMe just sucks...Steve wasn't doing his JOB
Nice troll. |
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supergirl
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Re: Just because we're Paranoid....
Cute! Wait, does that mean Al Gore is an alien? 
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supergirl
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Re: MobileMe just sucks...Steve wasn't doing his JOB
said by Dogfather :Nice troll. Apple's designs are so great that Ipods last just long enough to go out of warranty then become a brick. 
If Steve Jobs announces it, geeks will wait in line a week to get it. People may hate Gates and love Jobs but Gates did it better. Not the OS just the business part. The iPod, and Microsoft's $100 million, is the only thing that saved Apple's a@@. Funny how Apple employees all use Microsoft Office at work and curse Microsoft.
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telcolackey
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Re: verizon ... neutrality paranoia
Actually in a number of much more technical engineering forums (vs BBR) there is a fair amount of consensus that traffic priority of interactive vs non-interactive is the right thing to do. How this is done is a different discussion.
Here in BBR there are more end users than engineers so the conversation focuses on more entitlement aspects or broadband vs the technical merits. If you debate the majority, you are called a "fanboy". Many times it is not worth the effort as a few (who I am sure will reply to this) are not worth debating.
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Jason Levine
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Re: ICANN-blow me!
The problem with that idea is that multiple trademarks can have the same name so long as they apply to different industries. If I ran Widget Software Inc, I could have a trademark on the name Widget as applied to software. If you ran Widget Plumbing, you could have a trademark on Widget when it came to plumbing. So who would get the "company name identifier" of Widget? If your answer is that I could get Widget Software and you could get Widget Plumbing, then we're right back where we started. I would take WidgetSoftware.com and you would take WidgetPlumbing.com.
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asdfdfdfdfdfdf
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| reply to telcolackey
Re: verizon ... neutrality paranoia
I agree with much of your post but, as you say, the devil is in the details("How this is done is a different discussion" ).
Back in the day, when engineers actually drove most internet decision making such discussions were had as well. The key though is that engineers are driven by the desire to maximize the utility of the network for users. Business managers are driven by the desire to maximize the profit of their company controlling the last mile bottleneck.
Sure there would be discussions about network management if engineers made the decisions but those decisions wouldn't be warped by the incentives that drive management.
I suspect, if you were to really get inside the minds of engineers at comcast, for example, that many of them would express frustration at the decisions being made and the motives behind them. I don't believe that what comcast did was driven by the demands of engineers. |
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KrK
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Re: Just because we're Paranoid....
No Al Gore is not an Alien! |
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asdfdfdfdfdfdf
@Level3.net
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Re: verizon ... neutrality paranoia
Let me put it another way. When I say we wouldn't be having these debates I don't mean that there wouldn't be discussion about network management, sensitivity of different applications to latency, etc.
I mean that the whole neutrality backlash, triggered by managers like ed whitacre exposing their intentions(which have little to do with the technical aspects of the network) with rhetoric about how the leeches of the world, like google, wouldn't be allowed to continue to use their network for free, would never have taken place.
Net neutrality advocates don't start out opposing network management discussions but it has become painfully obvious that many of the "network management" claims made by incumbents have a hidden agenda to subvert competitor services and use control of the last mile to extract additional revenues. This agenda has become more aggressive because 97% of broadband access for residential and small business is controlled by a telco/cableco duopoly and these companies intend to use their power. |
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