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East Bay
Premium
join:2004-03-20
Albany, CA
 ·Unwired Ltd
 ·Comcast
| I eagerly await... the outcome of the first lawsuit (class-action or otherwise) that gets filed against Comcast for all this. I am very interested in seeing what happens in the market with this huge paradigm shift coming.
My own secret dream is Comcast gets sued into oblivion and becomes insolvent. The vacuum left by Comcast's collapse then will be filled by a myriad of ISPs competing for my business--offering decent speeds at fair prices which would in turn require me to choose between providers. | |
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person300
@comcast.net
| 250GB is a bit low First off I have not downloaded anything even remotely illegal. I checked my bandwidth usage on my linksys router for the past week and it was around 20GB. This includes games I download from xbox live arcade whether it be trials or complete games, gaming usage, and normal Internet surfing with VERY FEW downloads. On a more heavy week I guess I am doing 30GB a week. This is about 120GB a month. Yeah, it is half, however NOBODY else uses the connection. On a home with a shared connection if we assume someone does roughly the same then we would get 480GB a month for a 4 person home. This accounts no linux distros, no heavy downloading( I downloaded some .rar and .zip files and no videos, and completely legit traffic. The fact is users now use their Internet connections for many things. Let's say the family I am talking about also watches online shows(many legit methods again as many networks like Fox, NBC, and CWTV host videos of their shows). I am assuming the traffic will easily keep going over that 250GB. Back in 2000 that might be a fair cap but as more uses come up for broadband and more people now use it. I think the cap is on the low side. | |
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Jovi
join:2000-02-24
Mount Joy, PA
·T-Mobile US
| Re: 250GB is a bit low TBH, 250 is a lot more generous than other ISP's. I can live with the cap AS LONG AS THEY PROVIDE ONLINE USAGE METERS OR A DOWN LOADABLE ONE. If a node is being hammered by a slew of people at one time, do they throttle everyone at the same time?
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person300
@comcast.net
| Re: 250GB is a bit low said by Jovi  :TBH, 250 is a lot more generous than other ISP's. I can live with the cap AS LONG AS THEY PROVIDE ONLINE USAGE METERS OR A DOWN LOADABLE ONE. If a node is being hammered by a slew of people at one time, do they throttle everyone at the same time? Just because it is more generous does not mean squat. It should be one that truly is fair to 99% of its users. Those exceeding Terabytes a month should be capped after they exceed 1TB. However, the example I just suggested DOES NOT EVEN INCLUDE VIDEO USE of the Internet. The traffic I accumulate is sorely based on web browsing, gaming, and maybe 5-1GB of .rar and .zip files a week. Now if I started watching some of my favorite shows online, started using the new Netflix feature to come with the xbox 360 dashboard for movies and bam, I will be doing 50GB WEEKLY with a single user which is the equivalent of 200GB with a shared connection and a family of four. These do not include downloading illegal songs or movies or uploading them. Those that do those things would surely be using more traffic then.
I am giving you an example of how easily this could be exceeded in a family of 4. Am I now a crazy bandwidth hog that needs to be capped? I am using the connection for 100% legit means via 100% legit uses. This does not include usage of VOIP as well with the Internet. If I was a heavy phone user then traffic would go up. Last week with the bandwidth number included less than 1 hr of phone. Families that have teenagers using the phone often and more people in the household will consume more. This is why this cap is already too low.
So how exactly is it that nobody is exceeding 250GB? That is a a BUNCH OF BS. I can do 100GB monthly easily without sharing the connection at all. Now families with more people will use more. Maybe not 120-150GB each like me but I am sure it will exceed the bandwidth of 250GB.
I am doing 100GB with NO VIDEO, and no MP3s, and no downloading of games via steam or anything and 1hr of phone or less a week. I am sure people out there use
-their phone more than 1 hr a week if they have the Comcast phone service which is through their Internet connection.
-Watch TV shows online
-Who use services to download movies
-Download music
-Download games via Steam or other options
-Who download some Linux distros or big files once in a while like Microsoft service packs
Keep in mind my usage is based on nothing but gaming bandwidth, a few xbla games, and SURFING. If we even include some of the other possible things that can increase bandwidth consumption then it would be much much higher. | |
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Jovi
join:2000-02-24
Mount Joy, PA
·T-Mobile US
| Re: 250GB is a bit low I have 4 machines that are used quite heavily by a 14,7 year old kids and wife and I. I game pretty hard most nights and watch movies, videos, surf and download music. I use the net more than anyone here in my household, and I have yet reach 50 gigs combine dl/ul in one month from my machine alone since I have had Comcast(about 3 years now). 250 gb is much better than 5-10 gb others have to endure. I can live with it if they keep there paws off what I pay for(no forging, or resets). Comcast needs to button it up, and just be a dump pipe to the net.
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quintin3265
join:2008-06-07
State College, PA
·Comcast
 ·Verizon FIOS
| Why the complaints? I don't see why everyone is complaining about this. Compared to Comcast's current unethical policy, this is a huge improvement.
They already do this, but do it underhandedly and only to select users they don't like. I don't have any problem as long as I know what I'm getting. | |
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memyselfI
@comcast.net
| Re: Why the complaints? I have big problems with this and as soon as Fios is here bye bye comcast. Trust me I have it all from Comcast but when you throttle the net I'm gone. So they will be loosing more just like me. What you don't seem to understand is that the higher bandwidth will bring new applications and ways of communicating. Sure you could be using 14.4 still but.......
GET IT think about driving on the roads BEFORE they built the expressways..... Look at all of the business growth that has come about with that????? | |
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fonzbear2000
Premium
join:2005-08-09
Saint Paul, MN
| At least...... Comcast didn't get any ideas from Roadrunner who has much lower caps. Also, I wonder if "throttling high-consumption users back to "above DSL speeds"" means that if you go over the cap, you'll just be throttled and won't pay an extra amount per gigabyte.
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cob_
1310nm Of Goodness
Premium
join:2003-07-08
Tulsa, OK | Does it ever end? Comcast - The McDonalds of Broadband.
Soooo glad they're not in this area. | |
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superchuckle
join:2004-08-08
Rio Linda, CA
| comcasts fat wallets comcast advertises about how their speed is so much faster than dsl...... & when you try to use it as advertised, guess what...... you end up getting capped to dsl.... .isn't that like false advertisement or something? managing a network is one thing, but crying fair use because they don't want to upgrade their backbone is a bunch of "we wanna put the money in our already fat as hell pockets, not reinvest it" bull. really, comcast has to be right up there with big oil for profits here.... | |
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bbscript
join:2004-11-09
Fairfield, PA
| re: comcast fat wallets time for FCC to slap em again for false advertising speeds cant be delivered with new throttling system. advertising something u cant utilize is selling a fake product. degrading services for consumers cause they choose to utilize what they pay for should be illegal in my book. slap slap slap bad boy comcast lawsuit i smell on this new play u thought up.guilty on 3 counts of wrongful misconduct. 1.false advertising 2.throttling =not allowed 3.degrading services breach of contracts.
looks like the first time they throttle me its gonna be an escape clause for me to get out of a contract cause they ceased to deliver what i call quality services. degrading my speeds from 16mbit to say 6mbit is illegal and breach of contract on what you are paying for. they gonna lose mad loot on this i see it coming. | |
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SlackerX
join:2002-07-10
Esparto, CA
| hrmm I wonder if this will affect the 6Mbps tier. I mean, good DSL here is 6Mbps. If we got throttled to above a good DSL connection it'd be an upgrade.
Also makes me think, why not also do the opposite? If they are nowhere near being congested, why not give users more than their tier speed? They're still paying for their bandwidth whether it's getting used or not... | |
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TomClancy
Freedom isn't free
join:2003-04-23
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| yay... This is like the cops stopping some guy because he doing 150m/h on the autobahn.
"Sir, I'll have to install a speed limiter in your Porsche, because well, the other shitty cars just can't keep up with you, so we're gonna have to slow you down!"
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meh37
@verizon.net
| Re: yay... Well, it's a marginal improvement over their current methodology, where they stop you, tell you to go back to the place where you got on the autobahn, then won't let you on at all in your Porsche ('cause they had it towed away while you weren't looking).  | |
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djbielejeski
@aeiomed.com
| What I pay for... But lets see,
If I am paying out $70 a month for 16 mbps I should get 16 mbps. Always. Thats what the deal is, we pay for the service, we should get the quality we pay for. We don't pay for everyone to get equal speeds, we pay for our speed. If comcast can't keep up with their end of the bargain we should all move off of them and find another solution. | |
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TomClancy
Freedom isn't free
join:2003-04-23
... | Re: What I pay for... The instant my area gets FiOS I am gone from Comcast. And if VZ starts capping I guess I'll just have start stealing wireless connections. HEHE
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Internet Guy
@comcast.net | What company will Comcast use for Fair Share Does anyone know what company comcast will use for Fair Share? | |
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scathea
@zianet.com | Where is the FIBER? Te real truth is WE the American people who pay taxes have payed for a FIBER systems years ago that never was completed. Search for that one and then complain about the 250gb limit. | |
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Ricky11465
join:2006-07-22
Monroe, MI
| So my first day with a cap? So after returning from my family's house over the weekend. I find my service i would assume capped? Of course there might be an outage, or Comcast having an issue. But i must admit if they placed their throttling today in Michigan. Why me, i stream netflix and youtube as well as vonage.
I decided to do a little tracert if anyone can bear it. I like the 4294967264 ms ping portion. Also keep in mind i use opendns, however i have troubleshooted the issue to my best. Switching DNS servers, resetting modem, as well as router, and network connection. So i can safely say its not me, but somewhere on comcasts line. My upstream is 1 meg, from its ussual 2. And my Downstream 192kb or less. From the lovely powerboost performance of 12-16 megs. So i must ask, i am not in thier test area, but why is it i wake up to slow then read news that they started throttling while i slept?
Tracing route to google.com [64.233.187.99]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 52 ms 52 ms 52 ms 192.168.1.1
2 64 ms * 8 ms c-3-0-ubr01.monroe.mi.michigan.comcast.net [73.3
7.108.1]
3 74 ms 8 ms 8 ms ge-2-1-ur02.monroe.mi.michigan.comcast.net [68.8
6.120.157]
4 63 ms 63 ms 4294967264 ms te-0-4-0-5-ar01.taylor.mi.michigan.comcast
.net [68.87.190.169]
5 * * 72 ms pos-0-7-0-0-cr01.cleveland.oh.ibone.comcast.net
[68.86.85.49]
6 84 ms * 84 ms pos-0-6-0-0-cr01.chicago.il.ibone.comcast.net [6
8.86.85.50]
7 73 ms * 74 ms xe-10-1-0.edge1.Chicago2.Level3.net [4.71.248.17
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8 22 ms 73 ms 74 ms vlan52.ebr2.Chicago2.Level3.net [4.69.138.190]
9 113 ms 106 ms 87 ms ae-2.ebr2.Washington1.Level3.net [4.69.132.70]
10 104 ms 103 ms 88 ms ae-62-62.csw1.Washington1.Level3.net [4.69.134.1
46]
11 36 ms 35 ms 4294967279 ms ae-1-69.edge1.Washington1.Level3.net [4.68
.17.16]
12 88 ms 95 ms 94 ms GOOGLE-INC.edge1.Washington1.Level3.net [4.79.23
1.6]
13 107 ms * 101 ms 66.249.95.149
14 50 ms 109 ms 115 ms 72.14.236.175
15 118 ms 105 ms 105 ms 216.239.49.226
16 * 48 ms * jc-in-f99.google.com [64.233.187.99]
17 59 ms 103 ms 51 ms jc-in-f99.google.com [64.233.187.99]
Trace complete.
Interesting aint it. | |
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