EPS
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| One wonders about at&t...
The BlackBerry Bold, the first HSDPA (though not the first 3G if you count UMTS) BlackBerry, has been released in Canada and Europe, but not in America, reportedly because at&t wants RIMM to improve the reception... it makes one wonder about at&t's US network quality, perhaps. |
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ptrowski
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| said by EPS  :The BlackBerry Bold, the first HSDPA (though not the first 3G if you count UMTS) BlackBerry, has been released in Canada and Europe, but not in America, reportedly because at&t wants RIMM to improve the reception... it makes one wonder about at&t's US network quality, perhaps. I was wondering what was holding up the Bold. Interestingly enough mail on Exchange and Yahoo hits my iPhone WAY faster than it did my Blackberry Curve.
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Dogfather
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1 edit | Doesn't matter who is at fault, it's Apple's responsibility
If it's AT&T's problem, Apple has a duty to get AT&T to fix it just as Apple recalled some of Sony's MacBook batteries. |
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ninjatutle
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San Ramon, CA | It will never be fast enough
People will always gripe. |
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Dogfather
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Laguna Hills, CA | It's not about any speed problem, it's about various connectivity problems. |
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Titus Pullo
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| Tune up the band
wrapped in the flag to excuse the poor performance of networks here vs overseas. Perhaps I can save a few posts:
"Commies"
"Pinkos"
"Who cares?"
"Leave if you don't like it"
"Five items $5 @ Arbys"
"Apple paid Wired how much?"
Feel free to add on ...
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ptrowski
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| reply to ninjatutle
Re: It will never be fast enough
said by ninjatutle :People will always gripe. My gripe is you did not read the article. |
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gopnick
join:2005-01-07
Benton, AR | yipee
And here come the MS fanboys, ready to say this is a Jobs conspiracy.... |
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EPS
join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA
| If you say anything bad about Apple you must be a Microsoft fanboy? How do those two connect? I mean, isn't much more likely that the ones complaining would be the HP, lenovo, or Dell fanboys? A lot of Mac users now buy Windows thanks to Boot Camp and the Intel transition, and Microsoft Office is still the most common Mac office software suite as far as I know. |
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en102
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Re: One wonders about at&t...
AT&T needs to improve its 3G capacity.
European networks have a 'clean' yet expensive 2100MHz network to build on.
Rogers in Canada has a lot of spectrum/user (at least 55MHz of spectrum, and only around 6 million subs)
In many areas, AT&T has 45-55MHz of spectrum, however, its at +70million subs. Given the 'relatively' cheap nature of use compared to Canada, its spectrum capacity is nearing its limits in some areas.
10MHz of 3G spectrum is not enough to run voice and data in major areas.
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EPS
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| The problem with UMTS/HSDPA is that it was designed for a European environment where spectrum auctions take into account which technologies must be deployed on them, while in the US spectrum is auctioned off in a less organized fashion and companies can use different technologies. The main reason CDMA EV-DO is better deployed is because it only requires 1.25Mhz channels (IIRC), though it only does data and not voice. |
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N3OGH
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Philly burbs | reply to ptrowski
Re: It will never be fast enough
My gripe is with people griping.
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ninjatutle
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San Ramon, CA | Two gripes don't make a right. |
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pnh102
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| reply to en102
Re: One wonders about at&t...
said by en102 :AT&T needs to improve its 3G capacity. Have there been many complaints about AT&T's 3G service, outside of its general range, outside of issues reported with the iPhone 3G?
I wonder if the iPhone is highlighting a larger problem with AT&T or if this is just a problem with the iPhone.
FWIW I have 2 3G phones (an HTC 8525 and Samsung Blackjack 2) and when we use AT&T's 3G service everything works just fine.
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ifarrell
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said by en102 :AT&T needs to improve its 3G capacity. AT&T doesn't care.
They know they've got iPhone Users locked into their two year agreement. So it'll be at least another year before they might do anything.
In the mean time, they'll just rack in the cash laughing their asses off. |
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en102
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| reply to EPS
It was designed for a global environment, however, the U.S. does not always have the same spectrum availability as other countries do. Also, many companies prefer to cut costs where possible, while many other nations have spectrum mandate due to high government regulation of the wireless industry.
I agree that 1.25MHz channels are a nicer fit than the relatively huge 5MHz channels used by WCDMA/UMTS
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en102
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Valencia, CA | reply to ifarrell
I agree... fund future upgrades with current contracted customers (iPhone).
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en102
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As spectrum and use vary from market to market, so does the issue. Some markets may have +65MHz of spectrum to use (eg. parts of Texas and Florida), while others have to deal with much less, and try to fit the relatively large 3G spectrum requirements in and not kill off GSM users at the same time.
A minimum for 3G is 10MHz (5MHz paired).
In an area such as L.A., currently providing 10MHz of 3G + 35MHz of GSM... another 10MHz will bring an almost 50/50 balance between 3G and GSM... Ok for 3G, but lets hope that there's nearly 50% of the devices on 3G, or there will be some crying on the other side.
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pnh102
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| Interesting. Thanks for the detailed explanation. This sounds like a problem that might "solve itself" per se as the more GSM handsets that AT&T replaces with 3G devices would push AT&T to replace GSM-only cells with 3G cells.
In the mean time... maybe the people who use the iPhone in the areas you describe should try jailbreaking and T-Mobile.
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pnh102
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| reply to en102
said by en102 :I agree... fund future upgrades with current contracted customers (iPhone). People have been able to use poor quality service as a way to get out of their contracts without paying an ETF though, even after the 15 or 30 day trial period (I forget what it is for AT&T but I have it linked in my previous posts).
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