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 DaneJasperSonic.NetPremium,VIP
join:2001-08-20
Santa Rosa, CA
kudos:9
1 edit | Consumer confusion All of our networks today have fiber behind them at some level. It's clear that they're trying to mislead the customer.
Coax does have a lot of potential - it's yesterday's technology, but the bandwidth capacity is huge. In a Hybrid Fiber Coax (HFC) deployment, where they've brought the fiber into the neighborhood and just delivered the final leg on coax, that can be shared with a smaller number of end-users.
Next generation DSL products such as ADSL2 and VDSL bring a lot more bandwidth into the home with faster technology and/or by moving the aggregation point closer to the home. But, it's clearly not fiber to the home.
That said, the bottom line should be speed, not what it's carried on. The choice of network topology and investment level sets the stage for the carrier's future, but today, what matters to the consumer is what they can buy, at what price. What color the connector is (orange, black or grey) isn't as important.
-Dane |
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EPS
join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA | Indeed- you might as well call DSL fiber-optic internet too, since the COs are fed by fiber. By this definition "fiber-optic internet" rapidly becomes meaningless, since all internet traffic uses fiber-optics SOMEWHERE (Fiber-optic Satellite Internet!) |
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| Fiber for your Cable "We got Fiber in our diet." "We got Fiber between our two switches." "...and yes ARE regular, too." |
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| ...And most Americans would gladly believe it If Americans can believe that their freedoms are being taken away for their own *freedom*....If they can believe that all the woes that the country is facing is in their heads......if they can be made to believe and live that socialization of pain and privatization of gain is a good thing. If they can re-elect a dismal failure of a sorry excuse of a human being.....I am pretty sure that this is far more honest fraud. |
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 Matt3All noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | Absolutely It is absolutely false advertising. |
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| 100Mb is 100Mb This is stupid. Both DOCSIS and and FIOS are capable of doing 100Mbps+. I would love to hear a reasonable explanation of how 100Mb fiber is any faster than 100Mb copper or how 100Mb copper is faster than 100mb fiber.
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 LinklistPremium
join:2002-03-03
Longport, NJ
kudos:5 | reply to Matt3
Re: Absolutely said by Matt3:It is absolutely false advertising. All advertising is "false" to the extent that they play up the positives of the product and not the limitations. As long as they don't flat out lie, then the FTC isn't going to do anything about it.
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 PhilRojo SolPremium
join:2001-06-11
Downers Grove, IL
kudos:2 | There's nothing false about it... But it is misleading. |
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 pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD | Pathetic quote:
Fiber optics without the hassle ...
What hassle?
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Matt3All noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | reply to Linklist
Re: Absolutely said by Linklist:said by Matt3:It is absolutely false advertising. All advertising is "false" to the extent that they play up the positives of the product and not the limitations. As long as they don't flat out lie, then the FTC isn't going to do anything about it. I agree, but it's pretty obvious they are blatantly lying. Just because a portion of their network is fiber optic, doesn't mean it's fiber optic internet.
To be honest, regular users don't give a damn how they get their internet, so this probably only pisses us geeks off.
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 ptrowskiGot Helix?Premium
join:2005-03-14
Putnam, CT
kudos:4 | Not technically "false"... But sure can be misleading...
If you remember, someone tried to debate the point before...
»Why on Earth... |
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Re: Baffle them with BS the name of the game is confuse, confound and obfuscate.
that's why they all really like "bundles" - makes it nearly impossible to compare prices between competitors (assuming there is a competitor) |
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hussle87Premium
join:2008-01-06
Sykesville, MD | reply to battleop
Re: 100Mb is 100Mb I think that fiber speeds are more sustainable than copper because most cable providers have fiber to the node system where multiple users are using one strand of fiber for service so it flucuates depending the demand of the system. but I do have to say that docsis speeds aren't bad they just have problems keeping a constant speed. |
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| the time warner way from time warner; we've had fiber optics for years.. just never though we needed to offer outstanding service or a low price, or truly unlimited data, or non-throttled service, or lots of hd channels, etc, etc, etc. telephone companies call this milking the technology for all its worth (until it withers on the vine).
now that the footprint actually overlaps with a provider that can deliver such services, the cable company doesn't really look so good anymore. so, they'll just have to compete on price. after all, $30-40 for each service when bundled in a dual or triple play is a good deal in 2008-- especially when prices for everything else are going through the roof! just don't expect the moon & stars on the delivery of the services... it is what it is... shared/throttled node infrastructure internet, voip phone, & digital cable with a mediocre mix of sd & hd channel lineup...
However, now that Verizon is able to build FTTP/FIOS in the heart of TWC's footprint (nyc), they might actually have to get off their ass and deploy docsis 3.0 |
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KearnstdElf WizardPremium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | reply to Matt3
Re: Absolutely most customers cant tell a Motorola cable modem from a DSL Modem from a Linksys router. Fiber is the current catchphrase in marketing for data services. in another 10 years it might be lasers or subspace radio. trust me the marketing departments will find technobabble to throw at customers in TV ads.
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Re: 100Mb is 100Mb said by battleop:This is stupid. Both DOCSIS and and FIOS are capable of doing 100Mbps+. I would love to hear a reasonable explanation of how 100Mb fiber is any faster than 100Mb copper or how 100Mb copper is faster than 100mb fiber. Fanboys this is your chance. how about cable is architecturally different from FTTH, using a shared bandwidth concept much closer to the customer?
how about needing special configurations (4 & 8 channel bonding) to even reach 100Mbps+?
how about cable (even DOCSIS 3) is wildly asymmetric, whereas FTTH is symmetric?
how about 100Mbps+ for DOCSIS 3 is currently pushing the envelope (just barely gets 100Mbps upstream), whereas FTTH isn't even breathing hard?
that's all I got off the top of my head. |
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 birdfeedrPremium,MVM
join:2001-08-11
Warwick, RI
kudos:8 | Cox advertising in the RI market area You know they are pushing their triple-play bundles: MaxTalk has more focus on telephone features, MaxView has more features for TV, and MaxNet with 20Mbit PowerBoost.
In this FiOS market, the billboards and junkmail marketing highlight the MaxTalk and MaxView. Only passing mention that MaxNet is available. Hmm, I wonder why. 
The latest TV ad has all three gel-filled ballons or whatever they're supposed to be sitting in director's chairs like on a set of the Dating Game. The female contestant is asking questions about what's so great about the players.
She asks MaxNet, "I suppose you're going to tell me you're fast." and there's no chance for a response as the commercial cuts away to the closing promo.
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EPS
join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA | reply to battleop
Re: 100Mb is 100Mb GPON, which is the primary technology used in modern FiOS deployments, has a net total of 2.4 Gbps (2457.6 Mbps) on the downstream that can be distributed over 32 or 64 homes.
Each downstream channel bonded in a DOCSIS 3.0 yields approximately 38mbps. To match GPON's total bandwidth they would need I believe about 64 channels, which would basically require dumping most TV channels. I've seen, however, a claimed maximum of 3 channels that can be bonded at once (not sure on the source) in current implementations, which would give a maximum systemwide bandwidth of 114mbps. Cable systems are usually shared over a larger number of people than GPON systems (the number varies), but cable companies have been doing a lot to upgrade their networks and lower the number of subscribers on a node, at least on the ridiculously huge ones.
Where this becomes relevant is oversubscription. Both networks can provide a theoretical 100mbps connection, yes, but the GPON connection would have a much lower oversubscription rate assuming more than one person is buying your 100mbps connection. This would make the GPON connection more stable and so more likely to actually reach the 100mbps speeds. |
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 en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | reply to nasadude
Re: Baffle them with BS Whether its sales or politics... confusion and using similar names to sell an inferior product DOES work... for a while
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