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I like being second worst at things. We need to strive to maintain that spot. You never want to be the WORST of the WORST. You want to retain down right BAD but second fiddle. This way, you can get on tv and waggle your finger still about how the winner is doing things wrong, while ignoring your own faults. Politics. |
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to canesfan2001
said by canesfan2001:With all the powers bestowed upon the executive branch lately, we should catch up to Malaysia soon. So take notes on these workarounds, you may need the skills. Is that how your posts got through?
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North Babylon, NY | Typical government cowardice This is not how you do it! Blocking potential customers is not how you do business!
Are you afraid bloggers are uprooting corruption and other things in your country, Tuanku Mizan Zainal Abidin and PM Abdullah Ahmad Badawi? |
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Re: Watch and learn... You guys are all crazy....this was obvioulsy done to boost.....well....erm...security...don't you know there are terrorist that envy the freedoms that the malaysian enjoy. The government was justified in dealing firmly with the dissenters. |
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 wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
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New York, NY | said by nutcr0cker:You guys are all crazy....this was obvioulsy done to boost.....well....erm...security...don't you know there are terrorist that envy the freedoms that the malaysian enjoy. The government was justified in dealing firmly with the dissenters. You may joke around, however Malaysia is an awful place being destroyed by terrorists. Its corrupt and overrun by Islamic extremists who are looking to ruin the small amount of credibility the country has. In all honesty I feel bad for those people. There is a reason we separate church and state in this country, and why all those countries that dont are cesspits.
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Re: Typical government cowardice "Its corrupt and overrun by Islamic extremists"
LOL....so the basic deal is who can run back to the history faster....The christian extremists or the Islamic extremists! or perhaps Jesus can go and tech Mahatir as he taught the shrub |
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wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
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Re: Watch and learn... said by tmh :said by wifi4milez:You may joke around, however Malaysia is an awful place being destroyed by terrorists. Its corrupt and overrun by Islamic extremists who are looking to ruin the small amount of credibility the country has. In all honesty I feel bad for those people. There is a reason we separate church and state in this country, and why all those countries that dont are cesspits. I bet you can't even find Malaysia on a map without Google helping you. Good one captain anonymous, almost funny but not quite there. Perhaps you should try again?
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Re: Typical government cowardice said by Glaice:This is not how you do it! Blocking potential customers is not how you do business! Are you afraid bloggers are uprooting corruption and other things in your country, Tuanku Mizan Zainal Abidin and PM Abdullah Ahmad Badawi? Exactly my sentiments. The leaders of the current Malaysian goverment blames blogs for their poor showing at the polls few months back.
How ridiculous!
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Re: Watch and learn... Funny... We pretend to Separate church and state but somehow we FAIL..
1) Schools use God in the Pledge of Allegiance.
2) School Prayer was only Outlawed in the 1950s
3) Schools are NOW enacting Intelligent Design as part of their STATE testing requirements... Um.... Ok?
Here's the real winner. We give Tax Exemption to Religious groups, who then go out and "campaign" for politicians. Last I checked, religious groups weren't allowed to endorse anyone if they are a Tax Exempt entity. Strange enough, we don't ever seem to hold them to that. The kicker, we often give LOADS of tax payer money to faith based groups.
Ah yes... Separation of church and state hard at work in America. |
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said by pnh102:said by canesfan2001:With all the powers bestowed upon the executive branch lately, we should catch up to Malaysia soon. So take notes on these workarounds, you may need the skills. Is that how your posts got through? What are you talking about? I'm Canadian...wink wink. |
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wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
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said by jc100:Funny... We pretend to Separate church and state but somehow we FAIL.. There is a big difference between having a phrase in the Pledge of Allegiance, and having a separate legal system that has precedence over all other courts and laws. Malaysia is governed by (Islamic) Sharia Law, which among other things can sentence a person to death for the simple act of converting from Islam to another religion. No ruling, not even that of the federal court, can supercede what some whacko Mullah proclaims.
Sharia law is some truly frightening stuff, I suggest everyone educate themselves on it so we (all) can better understand the mindset of Islamic fascists.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia
»www.religioustolerance.org/islsharia.htm
»www.cfr.org/publication/8034/
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Re: Typical government cowardice "The leaders of the current Malaysian goverment blames blogs for their poor showing at the polls few months back"
Compare this to some Christian taliban blaming gays for 9/11 the same one endosrisng the esteemed McCain! So tell me the difference. |
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Re: Watch and learn... said by jc100:Funny... We pretend to Separate church and state but somehow we FAIL.. 1) Schools use God in the Pledge of Allegiance. 2) School Prayer was only Outlawed in the 1950s 3) Schools are NOW enacting Intelligent Design as part of their STATE testing requirements... Um.... Ok? Here's the real winner. We give Tax Exemption to Religious groups, who then go out and "campaign" for politicians. Last I checked, religious groups weren't allowed to endorse anyone if they are a Tax Exempt entity. Strange enough, we don't ever seem to hold them to that. The kicker, we often give LOADS of tax payer money to faith based groups. Ah yes... Separation of church and state hard at work in America. HOw about you actually READ the constitution? »www.hescominsoon.com/archives/794
The separation of church and state as pushed by the ACLU is a myth. Specifically this text of the constitution:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
What this means is there is no gov't spoonsored religion..aka like the english anglican church. Putting God in something does not mean the gov't is specifically endorsing A religion.
Secondly about non-profits "campaigning" yes they can..it's in the constitution. Want to know who's mos guilty of breaking the "separation of church and state"? The very people who scream the most..mostly Liberal folks(and that's across the board..no political party is immune).
Actually if you read the tax law just because you are tax exempt the IRS does NOT have the Constitutional power to limit the free speech or the exercise thereof(aka read the first amendment posted above). Tax law, case law..etc law DOES NOT supersede the United States Constitution. |
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Re: Typical government cowardice said by nutcr0cker:"The leaders of the current Malaysian goverment blames blogs for their poor showing at the polls few months back" Compare this to some Christian taliban blaming gays for 9/11 the same one endosrisng the esteemed McCain! So tell me the difference. Christian Taliban? To Whom are you referring? Do you have links to back up these statements? |
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Re: Watch and learn... Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
There is government sponsored religion. WHEN MY TAX DOLLARS go to a faith based group, THAT IS SPONSORING RELIGION. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. Why should a CHURCH which I don't believe in GET MY MONEY? SO try again.
Secondly about non-profits "campaigning"
WRONG. Under the Tax Exempt Charter issued to churches, THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED to make any political endorsements or they risk losing their exemption status. Go look that one up. THE IRS FORBIDS THIS. A google search will yield you PLENTY of results.
Also, for religion in school, PUBLIC SCHOOLS are an ENDORSEMENT AND FUNDED BY THE GOVERNMENT. Bringing in Religion (intelligent design) or "God" violates the concept of public. Tax dollars means EVERYONE of all faiths and beliefs, or lack there of, attend. School is there to learn. If you want your kids to pray, SEND THEM TO A FAITH BASED SCHOOL where I'm not footing the bill. Otherwise, a Public School that uses religion is serving as an agent for the government and making an endorsement. They receive tax dollars once again.
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Our government sentences people to death on a daily basis too. What's your point? Murder is Murder whether it's for religious grounds or legal grounds. Better yet, our government is creating watch lists of people based on their name, the FBI just said its going to compile a DB of all American's so it can profile people, and we have places that lock folks up indefinitely (Guantanamo). How for one minute is what we're doing any less worse than what they're doing. Seems to me, we're guilty of the stuff, but since we're the US it's ok. Hell, some states have tried giving people the death penalty, btw, for stuff outside of murder (drugs, child molestation, etc). The supreme court has said that's not legal but states are still trying. Best yet, religion here is dictating that people of Muslims names are getting discriminated against. Religious freedom my ass. Nice try though. |
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wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
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New York, NY | said by jc100:Our government sentences people to death on a daily basis too. What's your point? Murder is Murder whether it's for religious grounds or legal grounds. HA! Thats laughable at best, and a nice try to deflect what we are really discussing here. Regardless of how you (anyone) feels about the death penalty, no intelligent person can say that executing a child rapist and murderer is the same thing as executing someone who simply wants to change religions (or God forbid renounce it altogether!  ).
said by jc100:Better yet, our government is creating watch lists of people based on their name Collecting data about citizens, especially those suspected of a crime, is standard practice in every country on the planet.
said by jc100:The FBI just said its going to compile a DB of all American's so it can profile people A census? Social Security? I am sure we would all love to hear about this extensive database being collected on every citizen in the country, please feel free to provide a (reputable) link!
said by jc100:we have places that lock folks up indefinitely (Guantanamo). Yep, most nations call them prisons. The difference is that we openly declare we hold illegal foreign fighters (in country club conditions), who are treated better than our regular inmate population!
said by jc100:How for one minute is what we're doing any less worse than what they're doing. Lets see, to begin we dont execute people for their choice of religion. We dont relegate women to the status of slaves or livestock, and we have a proper judicial system. People in this country are free to do, say, or wear whatever they please without fear of disappearing or worse.
said by jc100:Seems to me, we're guilty of the stuff, but since we're the US it's ok. Thats not a vague comment or anything, so I am not sure how to respond.
said by jc100:Hell, some states have tried giving people the death penalty, btw, for stuff outside of murder (drugs, child molestation, etc). The supreme court has said that's not legal but states are still trying. First, tried is the key word in your argument. The amazing thing in America is that we have a judicial system that only allows the death penalty under certain circumstances. As for the death penalty for child rapists, I can assure you that most Americans fully support it for such heinous acts, especially when committed against children under the age of 12.
said by jc100:Best yet, religion here is dictating that people of Muslims names are getting discriminated against. Religious freedom my ass. Nice try though. Another humorous statement. However, let me first say that I think discrimination against any group is a terrible thing. I would also not disagree that Muslims have seen increased discrimination since 2001. Unfortunately, the reason (as we all know) that the discrimination has increased is directly due to the fact that we (all citizens of the US) were attacked, and are currently under threat of additional attack, by Muslim extremists. In reality however, only Muslims can improve how they are viewed around the world at this point in time. Where was the "Million Muslim March" to condemn terrorism after the attacks of 9/11? It might sound shocking, but if there was a worldwide network of Catholic, Buddhist, Jewish, etc. terrorists killing thousands of people there would be an uproar! The millions of peace loving devotees would unite to cast out those responsible. The terrorists would not be given refuge in ANY country, region, or area. Only by confronting the devils in their midst, will the vast majority of normal, peaceful, regular Muslims find their situation improved.
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