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Comments on news posted 2008-09-03 11:38:58: Google's new browser, Chrome, has been out for less than one day, and has spent much of that time being run through the Internet gauntlet. ..

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koitsu
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GoogleUpdate.exe

And let's not forget about this little undocumented beauty which doesn't even get uninstalled if you remove Chrome.

Our Security forum guys are going to have a field day with this one.
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pnh102
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Pretty Nice

While I have been rooting for the browser's demise because of having to code around "yet another browser," Chrome seems to stick to Firefox's JS implementation. Maybe it is not so bad.

My biggest gripe so far is that I cannot get anti-aliased fonts to work like they do in IE.
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Matt3
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So far so good

It is by far the fastest browser out there. Hands down. Even sites like Digg are lightening fast and I thought they were infrastructure limited. The Javascript implementation is definitely tops. We have an AJAX web app and Chrome is much quicker and allows multitasking, whereas IE/Firefox will hang with larger datasets.

The only annoyance I have so far is that I hate the pop-up status bar when you hover over a link and I don't like the bookmark management system.

I've been using it almost exclusively for the past 24 hours and I think it's a great first effort. It's simple, clean, and functional. IE 7/8 and Firefox have always seemed cluttered to me, so Chrome is refreshing.

The terms of service to me are a non-issue. I have no illusion of privacy online and treat everything I do as such.
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Derspankster
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Wouldn't Know

There's no Linux version yet.



FFH
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2 edits

said by Derspankster:

There's no Linux version yet.
Or OS X either

No ad blocking capability is a no starter for me. I have ads blocked in FF and IE7.

Also the javascript engine, while VERY fast is having problems on some sites.

And the scroll bar when using the touchpad on my laptop won't scroll up. But the wireless USB mouse works fine.

They have 6 months of development to do yet before I would even consider using it on a regular basis.


JohnQPublic6
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Thanks, but no thanks.

I like some of Google's products for the desktop, but I don't see any reason to try their new browser any time soon. Like my philosophy (and many others') about waiting for bugs to get stamped out of operating systems and general software, I will wait until the software is further refined.

As for the claim it runs JavaScript faster than IE or Firefox, who really cares? I doubt many people experience a bottleneck waiting for their browser to run JavaScript. And this is coming from someone who generally considers themselves to be willing to live on the cutting edge.

Firefox works just fine... even if JavaScript is slowing us both down.
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Matt3
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Re: Wouldn't Know

said by Derspankster:

There's no Linux version yet.
Compile it yourself: »arstechnica.com/journals/linux.a···nux-port
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Matt3
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reply to JohnQPublic6

Re: Thanks, but no thanks.

said by JohnQPublic6:

As for the claim it runs JavaScript faster than IE or Firefox, who really cares? I doubt many people experience a bottleneck waiting for their browser to run JavaScript. And this is coming from someone who generally considers themselves to be willing to live on the cutting edge.
Believe it or not, rich web apps or ASP (application as a service) platforms that rely on AJAX are severely limited by ancient Javascript engines in IE and Firefox. The Google V8 engine really is revolutionary because it offers multi-threading ... right now Javascript can't execute on more than one processor or processor core.

While I agree that for a user of Google Maps, or GMail, or (insert home user AJAX app here) it's not a big deal, it is a big deal on the business side of things.
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Matt3
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Re: Wouldn't Know

Hey Tk, you're not alone on the mouse problem - although my T60 isn't affected - Google is aware of it. There's a lengthy post in the Google Groups about it.

The no ad blocking is an annoyance, but not really that big of a deal for me. I don't visit sites that have annoying ads and I'd like the site owners where I visit to earn a buck. I can see how some people would hate it though so I'm sure a plugin will come along soon.

On what sites is JS wonky for you? I do a LOT with JS and I haven't had any issues.
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gimme5

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I like it

I've been trying it out since yesterday, and so far, I really like it. Simple, fast.



bubi73

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reply to FFH

Re: Wouldn't Know

said by FFH:

said by Derspankster:

There's no Linux version yet.
Or OS X either

No ad blocking capability is a no starter for me. I have ads blocked in FF and IE7.

Also the javascript engine, while VERY fast is having problems on some sites.

And the scroll bar when using the touchpad on my laptop won't scroll up. But the wireless USB mouse works fine.

They have 6 months of development to do yet before I would even consider using it on a regular basis.
I guess it's time to break out the old Proxomitron!


DaSneaky1D
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reply to koitsu

Re: GoogleUpdate.exe

You can uninstall Google Update....

It's used to deliver updates to the Google Apps you have on your PC. Talk, Picasa, Maps....ect.
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FFH
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Re: Wouldn't Know

said by Matt3:

On what sites is JS wonky for you? I do a LOT with JS and I haven't had any issues.
I can't give you instances now. But when I tested out Chrome yesterday, the problems cropped up in the interaction between Flash player and a script. The Flash player wouldn't start automatically and even when clicking on the flash frame, it wouldn't respond. But that page worked OK in FF. I don't have the page, because when I close my browsers I wipe out history , cache, etc.
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FFH
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Re: GoogleUpdate.exe

said by DaSneaky1D:

You can uninstall Google Update....

It's used to deliver updates to the Google Apps you have on your PC. Talk, Picasa, Maps....ect.
And the Google Toolbar also uses Google Update.


Matt3
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Re: Wouldn't Know

said by FFH:

said by Matt3:

On what sites is JS wonky for you? I do a LOT with JS and I haven't had any issues.
I can't give you instances now. But when I tested out Chrome yesterday, the problems cropped up in the interaction between Flash player and a script. The Flash player wouldn't start automatically and even when clicking on the flash frame, it wouldn't respond. But that page worked OK in FF. I don't have the page, because when I close my browsers I wipe out history , cache, etc.
I gotcha. I had weird problems with Flash too. It's like the flash plugin had to initialize to work properly. The first flash page I tried to view was all screwy. Things were misplaced and broken into sections. I closed Chrome and re-opened it and flash worked properly and has ever since.
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FFH
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said by Matt3:

said by FFH:

said by Matt3:

On what sites is JS wonky for you? I do a LOT with JS and I haven't had any issues.
I can't give you instances now. But when I tested out Chrome yesterday, the problems cropped up in the interaction between Flash player and a script. The Flash player wouldn't start automatically and even when clicking on the flash frame, it wouldn't respond. But that page worked OK in FF. I don't have the page, because when I close my browsers I wipe out history , cache, etc.
I gotcha. I had weird problems with Flash too. It's like the flash plugin had to initialize to work properly. The first flash page I tried to view was all screwy. Things were misplaced and broken into sections. I closed Chrome and re-opened it and flash worked properly and has ever since.
I did finally run across one I can document.
Signing in to my Hallmark.com account. It just locks up after providing sign in data and hitting submit. But that works fine in FF & IE.

I also found a description online of someone else with this problem. »expertlancer.com/google-chrome-m···essions/

P.S.> I sent off the bug report to Google development team for the hallmark.com problem.
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Derspankster
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reply to Matt3

said by Matt3:

said by Derspankster:

There's no Linux version yet.
Compile it yourself: »arstechnica.com/journals/linux.a···nux-port
I'm too lazy and/or stupid.
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Matt3
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said by FFH:

I did finally run across one I can document.
Signing in to my Hallmark.com account. It just locks up after providing sign in data and hitting submit. But that works fine in FF & IE.

I also found a description online of someone else with this problem. »expertlancer.com/google-chrome-m···essions/
Weird. I just signed in fine. The sign in didn't pop up in a window though? I also don't have the problems with Facebook the author mentions?

I wonder if there are a couple different builds of Chrome floating around out there? I'm running 0.2.149.27.
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jc100

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I havent tested Chrome, so I can't speak from experience. However, one would think a deep pocket company like Google would thoroughly test this out before releasing it. Maybe they are Microsoft Junior int he Making.



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A work in progress

So far, I like it. I have been surfing around with it off and on and its extremely fast. I remember when Firefox came out and there were a lot of questions on it and if it would survive. Look at it today as users love it. Maybe Google will give us another good alternative.
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FFH
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reply to Matt3

Re: Wouldn't Know

said by Matt3:

said by FFH:

I did finally run across one I can document.
Signing in to my Hallmark.com account. It just locks up after providing sign in data and hitting submit. But that works fine in FF & IE.

I also found a description online of someone else with this problem. »expertlancer.com/google-chrome-m···essions/
Weird. I just signed in fine. The sign in didn't pop up in a window though? I also don't have the problems with Facebook the author mentions?

I wonder if there are a couple different builds of Chrome floating around out there? I'm running 0.2.149.27.
I just solved this problem.

1st - I have the same release of Chrome you do.
2nd - I had chosen the option in Chrome to restrict how 3rd party cookies can be used. When I changed that to "Accept ALL cookies", it all worked OK.

But I do like to restrict 3rd party cookies. So I still consider this a bug because I restrict 3rd party cookies in IE and FF and it worked OK there.

I'll have to submit the bug report to Google again with comments on the 3rd party cookie involvement.
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birdfeedr
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Re: GoogleUpdate.exe

GoogleUpdate.exe also has an options panel where you have to click to display the normally obscured Advanced Options, where one of them is "Upload non-personal aggregate data" clicked by default. At least when I updated GoogleEarth.

Too bad there's nothing that says *what* is being uploaded. If they just wanted to know what someone is searching for, why do they need my computer to tell them? Can't they aggregate their data at their server?

Internet is making me think more "Luddite" and starting to trust Google less and less.



booticon

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Re: Wouldn't Know

Yeah, because this isn't like, a beta release or anything.


jc100

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Well I know its a beta, but still. Wouldn't YOU WANT your best foot forward when launching something new to the public? I would, beta or not. I've never understood why companies fail to optimize their products, so Betas serve more as a proving ground than as a let's go back to the drawing board stage. It'd be much nicer for a company to say, HEY this product WORKED pretty well as we thoroughly tested it. Here you try and see, but you probably won't encounter too many issues. We've already done most of the leg work. Unfortunately, these days, companies tend to rush half finished add unproven products out. I guess its a lot cheaper to have the public beta testers tell you the flaws, than pay the coders to trial the things out themselves. Economics I guess. I'm just pointing out my view none the less.

P.S. Betas are good for UI suggestions, I agree. However, I still don't agree about them being the basis for one having to fix 10,000 various flaws. I think companies should do that work prior to release and give their best foot forward as I stated.



ReVeLaTeD
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Linkline DSLR speed test

Locked up the Google Chrome until it was done. Rated a speed of 4Mbps. Something with how it was receiving the data from the speedtest, dunno.

Speedtest.net didn't have that issue; it rated my correct downstream of ~15Mbps.



booticon

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Re: Wouldn't Know

I see your point, however this is where your argument falls flat: Google Chrome is open source software. I understand that's not an excuse for "bad software", but the wonderful thing about that is if you'd like, you can create your own version of Chrome using their code, and there's things like bug reports: »code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/list

I agree that Chrome has a way to go before it becomes my main browser of choice (mainly extension functionality), but for first hearing about it this past weekend, it's not looking bad so far.



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The real question

The real question to me is simply, why did Google feel compelled to create yet another web browser, especially in light of the recent push by Microsoft to deliver on standards compliance. If we accept that everybody is moving to embrace web standards, then the need for a Google browser makes even less sense; their services should work equally fine on everything.

The only answer that makes sense here is this browser is designed to push Google services, and most probably, add another wiretap into the browsing habits of the users of said services. The TOS hints at this pretty openly.

It seems that for whatever reason, Google gets a pass when it comes to reality checks. Reality is this is a business, they aren't making a browser to "better the web" out of the pure goodness of their hearts. They see some way push their stuff and collect more behavioral data out of this. I for one went from a Google fan back in the day when it was just their search engine, to a Google skeptic in recent days as I see more and more and more behavioral data collection, to now an anti-Google user who dropped using their services and their search engine over privacy concerns. I don't do anything I'm "scared" of anybody finding out about, so lets not do the whole "only people with something to hide would be afraid" song and dance. I just don't like the idea of Google following me around like a Private Eye anymore than I liked the idea of my ISP allowing NebuAd to collect my traffic and "tailor" the web experience to me. Sorry but there are less intrusive alternatives out there.
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jc100

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reply to booticon

Re: Wouldn't Know

Well, I know it is open source, which allows one to customize it. Still, should one be left REDOING everything do to numerous bugs and flaws? Open source is a great concept and builds community around a program. Still, open source shouldn't be used as a ploy to skipping out on the job. I still think companies need to do more to show their best foot forward when showcasing stuff. I mean, would you want GM to beta a new car that looks good, but the breaks don't always work or it fails to start randomly? Then, GM puts this car to market, telling the consumers you need to check these and other bugs. Have fun? The same goes here, even if its just for show, you want it to be the best show ever. Google and companies can do more to help make their new software less buggy and more of an experience. Once again, my view.


Katzendreck

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reply to BillRoland

Re: The real question

While I agree with your concerns of privacy matters -- I am as well, in your first paragraph, it makes little sense to suggest Google shouldn't put out a browser in regards to compliance. Google has a platform to comply to, if it wants to cater to certain users (their choice), and while Microsoft has a play in web standards, it does not run the internet.



booticon

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reply to jc100

Re: Wouldn't Know

Well, that's kinda why Google doesn't build cars. You're kinda stretching it, don't you think?