  MemphisPCGuySenior Systems EngineerPremium
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1 edit | Chrome phone home? So, has anyone sniffed chrome to see if it is actually forwarding your internet cache to Google Corp? Why else would they make such a broad TOS statement if some form of tracking was not going on?
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 |  jester121Premium
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Lake Zurich, IL | Re: Chrome phone home? So they could do it later if they want to? | |
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|  cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM
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Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:5 | Supposedly the offending TOS section was just copy/pasted from other Google services. It wasn't that Google was snooping through your cache, rather they were just sloppy with their legalese. | |
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| | Unconscionable? Isn't there a such thing as an unconscionable contract? Whereas a contract can legally be deemed void if a court reads the thing and realizes that's it so one-sided as to be ridiculous? The original wording makes it nearly parody. | |
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|  Doctor FourMy other vehicle is a TARDISPremium
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Dallas, TX | Re: Unconscionable? said by Garius:Isn't there a such thing as an unconscionable contract? Whereas a contract can legally be deemed void if a court reads the thing and realizes that's it so one-sided as to be ridiculous? The original wording makes it nearly parody. A Washington State judge ruled AT&T's contract unconscionable,
saying that it went against several State consumer protection statutes.
One sided agreements such as this are practically
unenforceable, and when challenged in court like AT&T's
was, they usually fail entirely.
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| | ... And if we don't have it copyrighted, which I presume in most cases is everything done on the browser, then it's back to the original "perpetual do anything Google likes."  | |
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| | | Re: ... The way that copyright law reads, the minute you create it you own "it". Whatever "it" is. It needs to be registered within 90 days of first publication if you would like to sue and actually get damages. | |
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 ptrowskiGot Helix?Premium
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kudos:4 | Nice move.... I am glad to see they got rid of that crap so quick. | |
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 DaveDudeNo Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey
kudos:1 | Mass uninstalls Last night i removed all google programs from my machine. I am sure some computer at google saw what was going on. So i am sure the mass uninstalls last night sent the right message. | |
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| | | Re: Mass uninstalls I did the same last night. | |
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|  aaronwtPremium
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Woodbridge, VA
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1 edit | said by DaveDude:Last night i removed all google programs from my machine. I am sure some computer at google saw what was going on. So i am sure the mass uninstalls last night sent the right message. I installed Chrome on two more PCs last night to continue trying it out.
And I use Google search 95% of the time and that is not going to change. | |
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| | | | Re: Mass uninstalls I've found that Google's search engine is going down hill. The first one or two pages of search results are filled with "free patent" sites. Maybe they should keep their paid listings on the top and along the side.
I'm no Microsoft lover, but I've been using Live Search the last few days and liking it. Of course, Google started great too. | |
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| cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
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| That'll stick it to them. Think of the thousands of dollars in lost licensing revenue that they won't have now.
I presume that you'll be using Yahoo and MSN Live search now and won't be visiting Google, YouTube, GMail, or any other Google related site. | |
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| | DaveDudeNo Fear
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| Re: Mass uninstalls said by cdru:That'll stick it to them. Think of the thousands of dollars in lost licensing revenue that they won't have now. I presume that you'll be using Yahoo and MSN Live search now and won't be visiting Google, YouTube, GMail, or any other Google related site. Actually i have always like yahoo search better. But the problem was obvious, i dont want robots on my machine, and the google everything agreement was too much.
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join:2001-10-29
Hollywood, FL | Wouldn't stand anyway... The original TOS would have only stood up as long as it took to have someone challenge it.
There was a comment on another site that the copyright to GOOG would apply even if you didn't own the copyright yourself. That's just not possible. I can't transfer copyright to GOOG on content I don't own the copyright to.
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| | | Re: Wouldn't stand anyway... said by GlobalMind:The original TOS would have only stood up as long as it took to have someone challenge it. There was a comment on another site that the copyright to GOOG would apply even if you didn't own the copyright yourself. That's just not possible. I can't transfer copyright to GOOG on content I don't own the copyright to. Rats. There went my idea to use Google Chrome to submit music files, thus assigning the copyrights to Google and turning Google into a music powerhouse big enough to take on the RIAA.  | |
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|  RARPSL
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Suffern, NY | said by GlobalMind:There was a comment on another site that the copyright to GOOG would apply even if you didn't own the copyright yourself. That's just not possible. I can't transfer copyright to GOOG on content I don't own the copyright to. If you reread the original terms, you are not transferring your copyright to Google but only giving them the right to do with it what they want (ie: A use license). This still, as you point out, does not cover those cases where you so not own the original copyright (although in that case, the original copyright owner has probably given you a license and thus probably includes the passing of the license terms to a 3rd party (but no more than you have been granted - ie: If it is a limited use license, so is what you pass on to Google). | |
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| | Chrome Google Chrome and Google based search engine www.treehoo.com are a perfect combination if you want to save the planet while surfing...  | |
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| | | Re: Chrome said by Sammuels :Google Chrome and Google based search engine www.treehoo.com are a perfect combination if you want to save the planet while surfing... Sure. Let's slow down your Google searches by routing every search thru Sweden 1st.
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| | it really not that good! i tried google chrome, and i'm back to Microsoft Explorer!
google chrome is like a lite version of internet explorer! | |
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kudos:1 | I wrote them a VERY Nasty feedback. Nothing stupid or anything like that. I just told them that Netscape 8 & 9 died a quick death with TOS's like that, I don't need their s**T & i'LL Stay with Firefox.
How could they expect to embrace those who embrace open source programming with ridiculous TOS's like that.
Sounds like "God"gles lawyers used to work for Microsoft...
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kudos:2 |  Get a grip, people
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| Ikarasu
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| Re: Get a grip, people I hate to say it, but your right.
Paranoia... Google never meant the TOS to be the way you guys are perceiving it. Its just their standardish type TOS that they overlooked, which is why they're changing it... Not because of backlash or complaints, but because it wasn't ever the way they intended it to be.
Either way, it doesn't matter. don't like googles TOS? Chrome is Open source... »build.chromium.org/buildbot/snap···-rel-xp/ and your only bound by the open source TOS, and it isnt even google branded.
Chrome is a nice browser - I like it, but it's lacking a few features for me to 100% switch yet. Then again, I always preffered IE7 + IE7 pro over Firefox.. so my preferences might not mean much :P | |
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| | | | Re: Get a grip, people Congratulations Ikarasu! You win the prize for most intelligent post!
You even get bonus points for being open source savvy and still using IE7 because you prefer it. (I prefer Firefox, but I hate Firefox fanboyism, or fanboyism in general for that matter)
Food for thought everyone: Can anyone show me a case of Google ABUSING this, or any other TOS? And I'm expecting blatant abuse here, not misguided decision making. | |
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| ptrowskiGot Helix?Premium
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| said by quatrix:You're all paranoid. Get over it. Maybe, but the way it WAS written basically handed everything over to them. Obviously many others like me felt that way or Google would not have changed it.
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Fishie
join:2003-01-14
Riverside, CA | Doesn't change anything. I doubt people hold previous copyrights to EVERYTHING they type into the browser. In fact, most people don't have nay copyrights to anything. This just covers a picture, file, etc. NOT search data, demographic data, habitual data, etc. | |
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| | | Re: Doesn't change anything. Google is getting up there to be the pinnacle of slimy-ness. | |
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| | Business is business They are all powered by the same technology Evil Lawyers.
I doubt there's a company out there that doesn't try to get all it can from customers, specially when the service is free.
This is the part that got my attention, but I installed it anyway because it seems fair in exchange for a good service.
17. Advertisements
17.1 Some of the Services are supported by advertising revenue and may display advertisements and promotions. These advertisements may be targeted to the content of information stored on the Services, queries made through the Services or other information.
17.2 The manner, mode and extent of advertising by Google on the Services are subject to change without specific notice to you.
17.3 In consideration for Google granting you access to and use of the Services, you agree that Google may place such advertising on the Services. | |
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| | Why are they loading memory-resident applications? After their chrome application installed itself, it also installed a memory-resident application (googleupdate) in the registry startup folder. So now, every time I boot the machine it is loading their application. Further, the thing is locking up my computer; whereas previously before installation it was fine. | |
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