nwrickert
sand groper
Premium,MVM
join:2004-09-04
Geneva, IL | Encrypt everything
We need to move to an all-encrypted internet. |
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keyboard5684
join:2001-08-01
Youngsville, PA
 ·Teliax VOIP
 ·WestPAnet Inc.
 ·WestPAnet Inc. CA..
| Well, maybe, but think of it this way. Can the government come to your house and put some clips on your line and listen to your phone calls or better yet at the co? Not without a warrant however they do (not officially) do that once it hits the data/voice transport after your CO.
Can the NSA break your encryption, probably. Yes, I know the whole theoretical amount of time it takes someone to crack 128 bit encryption but if the government knows how are they going to tell you?
Really you cannot stop the government from listening in. You can stop them from prosecuting you for doing something wrong unless they had a warrant from the beginning.
Also, I think the technology already has you beat. Maybe you can get around it and I can but most people cannot. This means the major part of the internet traffic will be tracked, then the info (surfing habits, etc) will be sold. |
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anony 101
@comcast.net | reply to nwrickert
We need to move to an all-encrypted internet.
We're getting there. |
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Noah Vail
Premium
join:2004-12-10
Lorton, VA
·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to keyboard5684
ISP's as Pirates?
Everything that comes about as a direct result of my efforts is my creation; whether I copyright it or not. That includes my purchase and credit histories, things that indicate my personal interests, and anything I have openly or privately communicated.
Any company who profits on my creation
without paying me the royalties I am due
is pirating my created material.
As such, they are every bit as subject to RIAA style fines, as the folks I see accused of piracy here.
NV
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Abortion: A Republican Plot to Thin the Liberal Herd. |
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maartena
Stacked.
Premium
join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA | It's quite simple...
If you are worried about privacy, you have two options.
1) Use encryption with everything you do. (Which includes the need for decryption everywhere)
2) Unhook from the internet. |
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footballdude
Premium
join:2002-08-13
Imperial, MO
| easy
The solution is easy. Don't buy anything from an internet ad, ever. Don't even click on an internet ad to see where the link takes you. If you know someone that buys something from an internet ad, punch them directly in the face.
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It's a trick. Get an axe. - Ash |
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EPS
join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA
| reply to Noah Vail
Re: ISP's as Pirates?
You agreed to it, though. The ISP will send you the little slip attached to your bill informing you of the change to the terms of service, and by continuing to use the internet you agree to the change. After all, the company reserves the right to change these terms at any time. Best you can hope for is that if you're on contract the change will be enough to let you out. (And then you can go back to dialup, since all other broadband ISPs are also doing it!) |
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EPS
join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA
| reply to footballdude
Re: easy
I've always wondered why internet advertising is such a giant market, when I myself have never purchased anything from an internet advertisement and have clicked on ads less than ten times in the whole time I've been on the internet (over ten years at least), and now I block most ads with Adblock Plus... but SOMEONE must be clicking on them. |
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wentlanc
You Can't Fix Dumb..
join:2003-07-30
Maineville, OH
| reply to keyboard5684
Re: Encrypt everything
Probable Cause is required for anyone to tap your communications. You cannot turn on a tap, and filter the data for info and sell it. The ISP does not have probable cause, and thusly is tapping your data illegally.
An we're not talking about people doing bad things. They are tapping everyone, all of the time.
cw |
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wentlanc
You Can't Fix Dumb..
join:2003-07-30
Maineville, OH
| reply to EPS
Re: easy
Yes, SOMEONE is clicking on them. Those are called morons!
I don't get it either, but there are people with obsessive shopping habits. I'm reminded of the scene from Full Metal Jacket where the DI saks Private Pyle "If it wasn't for dickheads like you, there wouldn't be any thievery in this world, would there?"
cw |
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maartena
Stacked.
Premium
join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
1 edit | reply to keyboard5684
Re: Encrypt everything
said by keyboard5684  :Well, maybe, but think of it this way. Can the government come to your house and put some clips on your line and listen to your phone calls or better yet at the co? Not without a warrant however they do (not officially) do that once it hits the data/voice transport after your CO. A warrant? You never heard of the Patriot Act, did you? 
Local police needs a warrant. The government however, they don't need no stinking warrant. 
Can the NSA break your encryption, probably. Yes, I know the whole theoretical amount of time it takes someone to crack 128 bit encryption but if the government knows how are they going to tell you? We have long moved past 128 bit encryption. My company uses 1024 bit encryption, which requires a few million computers to run for a year or two to crack the code.
Terrorists use encryption to send their important messages, and they probably change RSA key just about every month or so, or right before any important communications.
Really you cannot stop the government from listening in. You can stop them from prosecuting you for doing something wrong unless they had a warrant from the beginning. Excactly. With the current Patriot Act, the NSA doesn't even need a warrant. If they think there is a slight possibility that you could have something to do with something slightly related to terrorism, even if you don't know it yourself (like donating to an orphanage in Syria, which in turn has given money to terrorists in the past - and now you are "connected"), and the NSA can just listen into your phone, cell phone, and internet connections, "just in case".
Also, I think the technology already has you beat. Maybe you can get around it and I can but most people cannot. This means the major part of the internet traffic will be tracked, then the info (surfing habits, etc) will be sold. Being a sysadmin, I can tell you that it is SO easy to put an e-mail tap on someone without the person knowing it and without even anyone else knowing about it but you. Your colleague sysadmin may be able to find it if they know where they are looking, but if you removed the tap before they look, no one will ever know.
I have the dignity and the respect for my employment to not do so, unless specifically asked by management (which I have been in the past), but there are sysadmins out there that do not have ethical standards. Word of the wise: Do not piss off your sysadmin. |
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telcolackey
The Truth? You can't handle the truth
join:2007-04-06
Death Valley, CA
| Do no evil ?
quote:
Ohm believes that absolutely everything you do online will eventually be tracked, stored and monetized
I know a company that does this better than any ISP on the planet... not only that they have world wide capability.
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"Believe only half of what you see and nothing that you hear." - Dinah Craik |
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chronoss2008
Premium
join:2008-03-29 | one solution
arkea
or along that lines
cross operating system
, into and out of your dbase its encrypted in it , even if the dbase encrypts this allows for nasa level ( and if you know what that means you get a candy bar ) encryption. |
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maartena
Stacked.
Premium
join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to wentlanc
Re: easy
said by wentlanc :Yes, SOMEONE is clicking on them. Those are called morons! I would not go that far. Many of those ads, especially on respectable sites such as major news sites, point to companies you are wanting to do business with anyways.
Say you know you are going to need a new mobile phone in the next few days and you want to change from your current provider to a new one. There pops up the Verizon ad with a good deal. I would probably click on it as I know it will lead me to Verizon, and I am currently in the market for a new plan. |
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SLD
Premium
join:2002-04-17 | reply to wentlanc
Re: Encrypt everything
There is a difference between the Gov't and a private business' rights. |
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SLD
Premium
join:2002-04-17 | reply to maartena
Re: easy
Some will, I will not, even if it is due to pricipal. Adwords however are a different story. |
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SillyRabbit
@tds.net
| reply to EPS
Re: ISP's as Pirates?
said by EPS :You agreed to it, though. The ISP will send you the little slip attached to your bill informing you of the change to the terms of service, and by continuing to use the internet you agree to the change. After all, the company reserves the right to change these terms at any time. Best you can hope for is that if you're on contract the change will be enough to let you out. (And then you can go back to dialup, since all other broadband ISPs are also doing it!) Many states do NOT allow you to agree to something like this just because they post it. It's kind of like an insurance comapny writing you a check and on the back it says " By cashing this check, you agree that this matter is settled.". It doesn't fly. You should have to actively agree to something like this. Nope, nope, nope. It's obvious you are on the dark side!!! |
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EPS
join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA | But that's how they propagate changes to the TOS already, isn't it?
I'm not sure what you mean by the "dark side", though... |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO | reply to keyboard5684
Re: Encrypt everything
If you're ot satisfied with 128-bit, try 256-bit encryption. It squares the amount of time needed to break the code, so you're probably safe... |
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kontos
xyzzy
join:2001-10-04
West Henrietta, NY
| reply to Noah Vail
Re: ISP's as Pirates?
said by Noah Vail :Everything that comes about as a direct result of my efforts is my creation; whether I copyright it or not. That includes my purchase and credit histories, things that indicate my personal interests, and anything I have openly or privately communicated. That's a pretty warped view of Copyright. By your logic, you would argue that you own the copyright to my reply to your post. I mean this post is a direct result of your effort of writing that crazy rant. |
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