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Comments on news posted 2008-09-08 13:46:31: Last week we noted that the FCC was expected to give a major gift to AT&T, by no longer requiring the carrier provide data on network reliability, customer satisfaction and infrastructure investment. ..

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KrK
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W T F .... Martin, you shill....

Someone explain to me how this can POSSIBLY be considered good news for consumers.

I mean we all knew Martin was pro-Telco and biased against... well.. EVERYTHING else.... but W T F man....

Hello, you work for the FCC, not at&t... at least, not yet!

Are you a sleeper agent?

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cost savings to the user, or just ma bell's bottom line...?

said by Karl Bode :
but AT&T lobbyists insisted that providing the data was too expensive

any bets on whether or not the savings will be passed on to the subscriber?

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Re: W T F .... Martin, you shill....

Not yet... He's preparing for his NEXT JOB after leaving as head of FCC. Don't you see, the more favors he gives, the bigger salary and more doors open to him after his term is over.

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sounds like

They just don't care anymore - they're too busy funneling what data they have directly to the government's massive databases.

Seems like they just don't care about how "satisfied" the customer is, any new infrastructure, as long as they can tap it.

The new definition of service seems like it'll now be "it's tapped, it's done."


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Re: cost savings to the user, or just ma bell's bottom line...?

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said by Karl Bode :
but AT&T lobbyists insisted that providing the data was too expensive

any bets on whether or not the savings will be passed on to the subscriber?

q.
Huh? Price hike to pay for new regulations. LOL.


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Re: Another sign of the times we have brought upon ourselves

still waiting for the obligatory conservative comment that this will reduce the overhead and government involvement in the private sector and thus be a good thing for competition...

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 There are some non-partisan groups that agree with FCC order

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Of course everyone but the baby bells is arguing that this "regulatory underbrush" was providing data that would, were the FCC to actually make decisions based on data and not party or corporate loyalty, prove useful.
Not everyone:
»www.marketwatch.com/news/story/i···ist=hppr
The Institute for Policy Innovation (IPI) applauds the Federal Communications Commission's (FCC) announcement Saturday that it will abandon the outdated and discriminatory ARMIS reporting requirements.

In comments filed with the Commission last week, director of the IPI Center for Technology Freedom Bartlett Cleland said these regulatory requirements applied only to a tiny portion of the communications industry, distorted the marketplace with irrelevant data and hindered the deployment of the best products and services to consumers.

Regulatory policy should be technologically neutral, says Cleland, and by ending the requirements for ARMIS reporting, the Commission will level the playing field for those in the marketplace.

When the ARMIS reports were first created they were said to be temporary, and yet, 18 years later, they continued to be required for only a handful of those who competed in the wireline communications marketplace.

"Even if this information had been collected broadly from the vast and rapidly changing communications industry, the fact is that the goal in collecting the information had long since been achieved," said Cleland.

In addition, both the states and FCC itself broadly collected similar data already, and the free market also already provided a more consumer friendly and accessible report.
The Institute for Policy Innovation is an independent, non-profit, non-partisan public policy organization based in Dallas, Texas.
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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

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Of course everyone but the baby bells is arguing that this "regulatory underbrush" was providing data that would, were the FCC to actually make decisions based on data and not party or corporate loyalty, prove useful.
Not everyone:
»www.marketwatch.com/news/story/i···ist=hppr
The Institute for Policy Innovation (IPI) applauds the Federal Communications Commission's (FCC) announcement Saturday that it will abandon the outdated and discriminatory ARMIS reporting requirements.

In comments filed with the Commission last week, director of the IPI Center for Technology Freedom Bartlett Cleland said these regulatory requirements applied only to a tiny portion of the communications industry, distorted the marketplace with irrelevant data and hindered the deployment of the best products and services to consumers.

Regulatory policy should be technologically neutral, says Cleland, and by ending the requirements for ARMIS reporting, the Commission will level the playing field for those in the marketplace.

When the ARMIS reports were first created they were said to be temporary, and yet, 18 years later, they continued to be required for only a handful of those who competed in the wireline communications marketplace.

"Even if this information had been collected broadly from the vast and rapidly changing communications industry, the fact is that the goal in collecting the information had long since been achieved," said Cleland.

In addition, both the states and FCC itself broadly collected similar data already, and the free market also already provided a more consumer friendly and accessible report.
The Institute for Policy Innovation is an independent, non-profit, non-partisan public policy organization based in Dallas, Texas.
»www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?ti···novation

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The conservative Capital Research Center ranked IPI as amongst the most conservative groups in the US, scoring it as an eight on a scale of one to eight. [2] (Pdf)
Why are you keep spreading your LIES, TJunk?

»www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnf···b016.htm

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Peter Ferrara, a senior policy adviser at the conservative Institute for Policy Innovation, says he, too, took money from Abramoff to write op-ed pieces boosting the lobbyist's clients. "I do that all the time," Ferrara says. "I've done that in the past, and I'll do it in the future."
»www.prwatch.org/node/4298
The Institute for Policy Innovation's Peter Ferrara also wrote "pay for play" columns for Abramoff, but, unlike Bandow, he isn't remorseful. "I've done it in the past, and I'll do it in the future," Ferrara said. Ferrara's boss also says the arrangement isn't "wrong or unethical." None of the columns contained any disclosure. BusinessWeek noted that the columns "provided a seemingly independent validation of the arguments the Abramoff team were using to try to sway Congressional action."

About the level of corruption: »www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?ti···_Funding

Payola-world: »www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?ti···t_Payola

There you go - this is just another typical BS-spewing, indie-faking hardcore neocon-Republican-sponsored lying sack of shit lobby group... now wonder they applaud everything without a single brain cell that goes towards unchecked corporate power.

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Bartlett Cleland worked for John Ashcroft and then Grover Norquist. I suppose on some planet, he could be considered nonpartison, unfortunately, not this one. Here's a cut and paste from Source Watch:

"Bartlett D. Cleland grew up in Illinois and graduated from Millikin University (IL) with a B.S. in philosophy and business administration. He received his MBA from St. Louis University and his J.D. from the St. Louis University School of Law. Bartlett Cleland is admitted to the Missouri bar.

After his study he worked for Lee Hecht Harrison as a consultant for executive outplacement. In 1994 he was a research assistant in the 'Ashcroft for Senate campaign', and in 1995 he worked for the then Missouri Senator John Ashcroft. He was the Senator's technology counsel from 1996 to 1998 where he worked with Paul Clement. Then he started working for Americans for Tax Reform and for a year and a half he was Grover Norquist's technology and policy counsel. Since 2000 Bartlett Cleland was the Director of the Center for Technology Freedom, at the Institute for Policy Innovation (IPI). The 'Center for Technology Freedom' was created when Bartlett Cleland joined IPI. [1] Kelli Emerick is a Research Fellow at this center."


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said by Mr Truthiness :

Bartlett Cleland worked for John Ashcroft and then Grover Norquist. I suppose on some planet, he could be considered nonpartison, unfortunately, not this one. Here's a cut and paste from Source Watch:

"Bartlett D. Cleland grew up in Illinois and graduated from Millikin University (IL) with a B.S. in philosophy and business administration. He received his MBA from St. Louis University and his J.D. from the St. Louis University School of Law. Bartlett Cleland is admitted to the Missouri bar.

After his study he worked for Lee Hecht Harrison as a consultant for executive outplacement. In 1994 he was a research assistant in the 'Ashcroft for Senate campaign', and in 1995 he worked for the then Missouri Senator John Ashcroft. He was the Senator's technology counsel from 1996 to 1998 where he worked with Paul Clement. Then he started working for Americans for Tax Reform and for a year and a half he was Grover Norquist's technology and policy counsel. Since 2000 Bartlett Cleland was the Director of the Center for Technology Freedom, at the Institute for Policy Innovation (IPI). The 'Center for Technology Freedom' was created when Bartlett Cleland joined IPI. [1] Kelli Emerick is a Research Fellow at this center."
Seems well qualified to comment on technology issues and the FCC.
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Indict Martin...

... he should stand trial for his criminal activities!

This circus should stop now - it's breathtaking what's going on at the FCC for a decade now.

The fact that these worm-like Cheney-species can act without ven a little worry, knowing there's no responsibility whatsoever should show you how far our the rot reaches in our legislative and executive branches now...
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Re: There are some non-partisan groups that agree with FCC order

said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

said by Mr Truthiness :

Bartlett Cleland worked for John Ashcroft and then Grover Norquist. I suppose on some planet, he could be considered nonpartison, unfortunately, not this one. Here's a cut and paste from Source Watch:

"Bartlett D. Cleland grew up in Illinois and graduated from Millikin University (IL) with a B.S. in philosophy and business administration. He received his MBA from St. Louis University and his J.D. from the St. Louis University School of Law. Bartlett Cleland is admitted to the Missouri bar.

After his study he worked for Lee Hecht Harrison as a consultant for executive outplacement. In 1994 he was a research assistant in the 'Ashcroft for Senate campaign', and in 1995 he worked for the then Missouri Senator John Ashcroft. He was the Senator's technology counsel from 1996 to 1998 where he worked with Paul Clement. Then he started working for Americans for Tax Reform and for a year and a half he was Grover Norquist's technology and policy counsel. Since 2000 Bartlett Cleland was the Director of the Center for Technology Freedom, at the Institute for Policy Innovation (IPI). The 'Center for Technology Freedom' was created when Bartlett Cleland joined IPI. [1] Kelli Emerick is a Research Fellow at this center."
Seems well qualified to comment on technology issues and the FCC.
ROFLMA is that all?
Once again, you just embarrassed yourself, no matter how you try to sit it out in full silence. F
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Re: W T F .... Martin, you shill....

It's good for consumers in that when Martin is done he'll get a big Telco consulting job. When the gobbs of cash he'll get he'll buy goods and services stimulating the economy. At least that is the only way they could spin it.


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It's good for consumers in that when Martin is done he'll get a big Telco consulting job.
Actually federal rules prohibit Martin from taking a job with those he regulated for at least a year. And by that time he will be running for office in NC for a state or congressional office to start off his career as an elected politician instead of an appointed one.
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Re: cost savings to the user, or just ma bell's bottom line...?

said by tubbynet See Profile :

any bets on whether or not the savings will be passed on to the subscriber?

q.
there won't be any savings. that was just a throw-away BS line and half-ass attempt to justify getting rid of the rule.

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Re: There are some non-partisan groups that agree with FCC order

said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

said by Mr Truthiness :

.. with a B.S. in philosophy and business administration. He received his MBA from St. Louis University and his J.D. from the St. Louis University School of Law....
Seems well qualified to comment on technology issues and the FCC.
yes, philosophy and business administration provide an excellent background on technology issues; much better than say, telecommunications or computer science or engineering or one of those other boring majors.

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Re: W T F .... Martin, you shill....

Federal rules should forever prohibit a FCC Commissioner from taking a job with the companies they regulated.

One whole year is not to long to wait for your reciprocal back scratch.

Martian can't leave fast enough and may the door hit him in the ass on the way out.


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The only positive way I can think about this is that Martin's still trying to level the playing field between TelCos and CableCos -- where CableCos generally don't need to report this information and TelCos do.

If that's Martin's thinking, then the problem with it is that adding one competitor (and at that, only in some areas) to a monopoly does not bring the robust, competitive, self-regulating marketplace necessary to protect consumers.

Eliminating a consumer protection regulation because there actually are sufficient checks and balances is fine with me. Eliminating a consumer protection regulation because they're pretending that there are sufficient checks and balances is bad.
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