moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD | Unless they can come up with better, unbiased data....
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TKJunkMail
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
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|  said by moonpuppy  :....then they need to really stop thinking people are stupid. And why should they do that? Most people are completely uninformed when it comes to telecomm issues. BBR visitors are not a good sample group for determining people's knowledge concerning broadband issues.
When the local 11 O'clock news starts talking about broadband issues instead of the latest fire or killing from a city 1,000 miles away, then maybe that will change.
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
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| said by TKJunkMail :said by moonpuppy :....then they need to really stop thinking people are stupid. And why should they do that? Most people are completely uninformed when it comes to telecomm issues. BBR visitors are not a good sample group for determining people's knowledge concerning broadband issues. When the local 11 O'clock news starts talking about broadband issues instead of the latest fire or killing from a city 1,000 miles away, then maybe that will change. Here is the problem with your statement.
Once someone gets a hold of that blog post, it will get ripped apart by those who either do know or think they know. This causes more distrust in the company (this case being Verizon) and the credibility goes down. |
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Staplegun
join:2005-04-20
Flower Mound, TX
 ·Verizon FIOS
| Don't Blame Verizon
Telecom has been deregulated for what 12 years now? Since it's open competition the rural areas aren't going to be cared for. It's simple math aka ROI. If Verizon was regulated in these areas and had a guaranteed profit that would be another story altogether, but that's simply not the case.
Does someone really think Verizon can afford to run Fiber to all 33 million copper households? Seriously. |
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NetAdmin
CCNA
join:2008-05-22
| Verizon needs to brush up on their history
“Lies, damned lies, and statistics” is part of a phrase attributed to Benjamin Disraeli and popularized in the United States by Mark Twain: “There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.” The statement refers to the persuasive power of numbers, the use of statistics to bolster weak arguments, and the tendency of people to disparage statistics that do not support their positions. »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies,_damn···atistics
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
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| reply to Staplegun
Re: Don't Blame Verizon
said by Staplegun :Telecom has been deregulated for what 12 years now? Since it's open competition the rural areas aren't going to be cared for. It's simple math aka ROI. If Verizon was regulated in these areas and had a guaranteed profit that would be another story altogether, but that's simply not the case. Private companies are out there to make a profit. There is no 'care' in profit.
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| That is so wishy washy to say "there is no care in profit".
Any business school in the world will tell you that a company is supposed to care about its stockholders (i.e. people like you and me who invest our savings in these companies). Verizon has spent billions rolling out fiber where it has. It has to go where there are enough customers to pay back on that investment.
If the government thinks it is important that all people have the same access, then it can subsidize. But remember nothing is free. That means tax money. (again from people like you and me that pay taxes.) |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
| reply to TKJunkMail
Re: Unless they can come up with better, unbiased data....
said by TKJunkMail :said by moonpuppy :....then they need to really stop thinking people are stupid. And why should they do that? Most people are completely uninformed when it comes to telecomm issues. BBR visitors are not a good sample group for determining people's knowledge concerning broadband issues. When the local 11 O'clock news starts talking about broadband issues instead of the latest fire or killing from a city 1,000 miles away, then maybe that will change. unfortunately, a lot people are stupid (or ignorant), so you are right - why should verizon stop thinking they are?
on the other hand, the government has this agency called the "FCC" that is supposed to be looking out for the public interest, so it's not really the job of the 11 o'clock news.
besides, the "news" industry is mainly in the tank for the same interests the FCC is supposed to be regulating, so I certainly wouldn't expect them to be pointing out how consumers are being screwed by their bosses. for that matter, the FCC is in the tank for the interests they are supposed to be regulating (even cable, for whom Martin shows no love). |
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
Premium
join:2005-05-20
| reply to moonpuppy
The problem is, in my opinion, is there are no unbiased groups out there. It seems that people are either vested some way (personally, emotionally, or financially) in broadband one way or another.. OR, they don't care. Those that don't care about BB will most likely not pay attention to details that really matter. (Think congress in general) And then those that are vested some way will take their own slant in their review.
Some will have a gripe with the providers and be on the attack, some have financial interest in some form and will do as their masters say, or, others see broadband the way THEY want to and use it and will base their data in the way that best makes sense for them, again, not thinking about the network and infrastructures at large.
So, really, are there really any groups out there with out a bias? It's typical to be segregated when something is so new as the internet really is, at large. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| reply to en102
Re: Don't Blame Verizon
said by en102 :said by Staplegun :Telecom has been deregulated for what 12 years now? Since it's open competition the rural areas aren't going to be cared for. It's simple math aka ROI. If Verizon was regulated in these areas and had a guaranteed profit that would be another story altogether, but that's simply not the case. Private companies are out there to make a profit. There is no 'care' in profit. you don't have to fuck people over to make a profit. if making profits can only happen by fuckng people over maybe capitalism isn't such a great thing. Fact is you can provide customers with great products and great service at reasonable prices and still make a profit. |
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Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
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said by Staplegun :Does someone really think Verizon can afford to run Fiber to all 33 million copper households? Seriously. Yes seriously. Have you seen their financial statements? If memory serves me correctly they could take their NET INCOME from 2-3 years and pay CASH to have every person they service on fiber. |
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SilverSurfer
join:2007-08-19
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Re: Unless they can come up with better, unbiased data....
said by fiberguy : It seems that people are either vested some way (personally, emotionally, or financially) in broadband one way or another.. Since when is consumer advocation about personal, emotional or financial involvement. Clearly you know not from whence you speak. Any consumer advocacy group (e.g. EFF, etc.) does not currently earn and never will earn the megabucks that you evidently think would motivate them to look out for consumer interest. |
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digitalfreak
join:2005-12-09
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said by TKJunkMail :said by moonpuppy :....then they need to really stop thinking people are stupid. And why should they do that? Most people are completely uninformed when it comes to telecomm issues. BBR visitors are not a good sample group for determining people's knowledge concerning broadband issues. When the local 11 O'clock news starts talking about broadband issues instead of the latest fire or killing from a city 1,000 miles away, then maybe that will change. So long as no-one listens to anything you say, they'll be ok. |
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SD6
join:2005-03-26
| misleading
"They also just got done passing legislation in more than a dozen states that redefined the video franchise system so they wouldn't have to deploy next-gen broadband to rural Americans."
There is no legislation which currently forces Verizon to deploy next-gen broadband to rural Americans. |
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EPS
join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA
| Oh my god!
Verizon opposes telecom regulation! This is shocking, I would have fully expected that Verizon WANTED the government to come in and force it to take actions it doesn't currently do! I am totally stunned!
Up next: Exxon Mobil opposes windfall profits tax!  |
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dfafdasfd
@mindspring.com | vz
Verizon has problem? Never. It's always the customers is the problem. If you don't like the services, we are gladly let you can and charge you an ETF. Customer services? As long as you are in the grace period, you can plenty of them. |
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hobgoblin
Sortof Agoblin
Premium
join:2001-11-25
Orchard Park, NY
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| reply to Skippy25
Re: Don't Blame Verizon
said by Skippy25 :Yes seriously. Have you seen their financial statements? If memory serves me correctly they could take their NET INCOME from 2-3 years and pay CASH to have every person they service on fiber. I really hope you are being sarcastic!
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splat1622
join:2008-09-08
Cave Spring, GA | reply to TKJunkMail
Re: Unless they can come up with better, unbiased data....
yea the news,and our fine government need to start talking about the millions in rural America that still in 2008 can not get decent and affordable internet |
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splat1622
join:2008-09-08
Cave Spring, GA | reply to Guest
Re: Don't Blame Verizon
i agree the government does need to subsidize the deployment of rural broadband you.i don't expect the company's to have to pay for it all by themselves.all Americans deserve to have same opportunities as everybody else,but it will never happen |
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Just Visiting
@rr.com | Dont bash Verizon !
Please,
They only have so many actual employees left, and a fraction of their original footprint.. |
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