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2 edits | Best gov't corporations can buy
This will only end when only individual U.S. citizens are permitted to contribute to campaigns. So long as unions, foreign nationals, corporations and other corrupt special interests are allowed to bribe contribute as they do, gov't will NEVER represent the citizens. |
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TamaraB
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| It's called fascism
Another sign of the times, and of our failure as a people to protect and defend our democracy.
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini
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Joe12345678
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Des Plaines, IL | The Justice Department must use due process and not use
The Justice Department must use due process and brake the law to police this. |
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N10Cities
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Re: It's called fascism
Ummmmm....wasn't Mussolini a fascist? |
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TamaraB
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| said by N10Cities  :Ummmmm....wasn't Mussolini a fascist? Duuuhhhhh..... That's the entire point! Fascism is the merging of corporate and government power. It's when the government and the corporate world are one and the same. Like what we have here today.
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| said by TamaraB :said by N10Cities :Ummmmm....wasn't Mussolini a fascist? Duuuhhhhh..... That's the entire point! Fascism is the merging of corporate and government power. It's when the government and the corporate world are one and the same. Like what we have here today. Bob Not quite. If you remember your World Civ II class, when the major economies switched from Mercantilism (closer to what you described) to Capitalism, the objectives were to allow private entities to trade freely. The government's role was to protect the ability of that free trade and while I don't agree this is a worthwhile use of that protection by the RIAA/MPAA, it is by classic definition their right to ask.
The fact that you take a quote from Mussolini which he used to try and JUSTIFY fascism, and then state that is how our country is currently operating, is despicable.
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The entertainment industry is currently enjoying bi-partisan support for two new measures.
Why any GOP senator or congressman would support any bill that would protect the entertainment industry is beyond me.
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Re: It's called fascism
and then state that is how our country is currently operating, is despicable.
No Despicable is any elected politician accepting any thing money, goods, services from any business that wasn't paid for by the politician from their personal earnings.
And any elected politician that says they are not influenced by the freebies is a blatant liar! |
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Re: Bipartisanship Sucks
Has it ever crossed your mind that they're all stooges? |
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| we need new copyright laws.
we need to remap the copyright to mirror that of the Drug patent. it lasts a fixed number of years and then goes to the public. its worked fine for the pharma industry which has much more at risk if something is a dud and doesnt make profit before the patent expires. a movie or music is a few mil, some drugs are a few billion and they dont stay patented for 100+ years.
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Re: It's called fascism
said by Matt : ... that is how our country is currently operating, is despicable. What is despicable is the fact that corporate lobbyists bribe congress into passing bills which protect corporate profits. That government bails out failing corporations, while leaving citizens to not only fend for themselves, but to pay for corporate failings. Help for Fannie mae, but none for those facing foreclosures, tax breaks for big oil, but none for the middle class. And now, wanting to protect MPAA/RIAA in civil actions. It IS how we operate.
When a government is both run by and run for corporate welfare, it is by definition a fascist government. That's what's despicable, and is what is happening right now.
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Re: Best gov't corporations can buy
Right you are. Unfortunately there are two problems. One, why would lawmakers cut off their own gravy train? And two, the media brainwashed sheeple always vote for the guy who spends the most on slick ads.
And so the middle class sheep continue to be gradually fleeced of their prosperity and power and we continue our slow descent back to feudalism. Your grandchildren will be the tech age equivalent of sharecroppers.
To get back to the specific topic, copyright law was originally intended to BALANCE the rights of the authors with the good of society (and it is my opinion that this is the only valid purpose and justification of ANY regulation). This is why there were time limits, fair use and timeshifting/recording rights. Our first mistake was allowing copyrights to be transferable. Now they have become a means of protecting profit, extended essentially indefinitely. Fair use and timeshifting will go away sooner or later too. They almost succeeded in the latter in DTV with the copyright flag.
Soon society will never get any benefit from any intellectual product, ever, only the rich who cheated the creator out of it for a pittance.
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»news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10039···1_3-0-20
A U.S. Senate panel on Thursday overwhelmingly approved a bill backed by the recording industry that would give federal prosecutors the power to file civil lawsuits against peer-to-peer users who violate copyright laws.
By a 14-4 margin, the Senate Judiciary Committee voted for the Enforcement of Intellectual Property Rights Act, which would create stricter IP laws, as well as increase the ability of the White House and Justice Department to enforce those laws. All four dissenters were Republicans: John Kyl of Arizona, Jeff Sessions of Alabama, Sam Brownback of Kansas, and Tom Coburn of Oklahoma.
The Recording Industry Association of America and the Motion Picture Association of America have supported the bill. On Thursday, the National Association of Manufacturers and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce also expressed their approval of the vote.
In general, the bill toughens civil and criminal laws against counterfeiting and piracy. For instance, it amends current trademark law to double the statutory damages in counterfeiting cases.
The act also expands the power of the White House by creating an IP Enforcement Coordinator (IPEC) position within the executive branch. The IPEC would direct other agencies in a coordinated strategy to fight counterfeiting and piracy.
The bill also adds five new International IP Enforcement Coordinators to act as liaisons to foreign countries with respect to U.S. IP law enforcement.
The House of Representatives passed a similar bill earlier in the year called the "Prioritizing Resources and Organization for Intellectual Property Act." Here is a link to the proposed law:
»thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:S.3325:
Here is the link to the House version that has already passed:
»thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z···#summary
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| Socialism seems to be where we end up...
when we let big business run things.
Just look at the Fannie/Freddie bailout.
Now the big business small government crowd wants big government to protect their failing business model.
But will they give the government any of the profits?
Nope these same people whining for government protection will say they are being taxed to death by big government and getting nothing in return.
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Re: we need new copyright laws.
It used to be if not mistaken 20 years, congress keeps changing it, now life of copyright holder + 70 years...also if not mistaken,something about it was in the constitution......
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Re: Best gov't corporations can buy
Wow, I wish I could give some money to politicians to get laws passed that benefit my business. Unfortunately if I do it, it's called bribery and I go to prison. |
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major marco
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| Now that all of the country's other problems are solved...
I'm really glad that the feds have completely eliminated all of the country's other problems -crumbling infrastructure, failing banks, crime, poverty, health insurance crises, social security, etc.- so that it can rightfully focus on Intellectual Property rights of big bu$ine$$ instead.
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Re: we need new copyright laws.
said by woody7 :...also if not mistaken,something about it was in the constitution...... Copyright in the Constitution is Article I Section 8 Clause 8. See also the U.S. Code Title 17. Fair Use is §107. |
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Re: The Justice Department must use due process and not use
How long has it been since the Justice Department cared about such silly things as due process and the law? The law is whatever they think it is. |
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It is much easier to send out the gov't Gestapo agencies (FBI, CIA, etc) after copyright violators than terrorists. If you send a couple of agents to arrest a teenager making copies of music/video on the net, it is extremely unlikely that the agents will be met by automatic weapons fire from a pair of AK-47s. Plus teenagers do not usually plant mines in front of their house. |
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