broccoli
join:2007-11-29
Portland, OR | Look who's talking
And just how open is Skype's own network? |
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funchords
Hello
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join:2001-03-11
Washington, DC
 ·Verizon Online DSL
 ·Skype
| said by broccoli  :And just how open is Skype's own network? Skype doesn't have a network, it has a networking application. That's a big difference.
Skype is also not complaining that it is being singled-out here, but that innovation across the board is hurt when carriers limit what can be attached to the network.
Related link: Carterphone (Wikipedia)
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broccoli
join:2007-11-29
Portland, OR
| said by funchords :said by broccoli :And just how open is Skype's own network? Skype doesn't have a network, it has a networking application. That's a big difference. Deep down it's just another P2P network, much like ED2K. There's a central server that tracks the clients, and clients connect to the server to find out which peers they can connect to.
How many third-party clients are there for Skype? Where can I get the API to write my own client? |
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swhitney2003
I can't drive 55.
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join:2003-06-13
NH
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·Skype
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| said by broccoli :said by funchords :said by broccoli :And just how open is Skype's own network? Skype doesn't have a network, it has a networking application. That's a big difference. Deep down it's just another P2P network, much like ED2K. There's a central server that tracks the clients, and clients connect to the server to find out which peers they can connect to. How many third-party clients are there for Skype? Where can I get the API to write my own client? Last I knew skype was a VoIP service |
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swhitney2003
I can't drive 55.
Premium
join:2003-06-13
NH
clubs: | +1 For openess
I have verizon as my cellular provider, and sometimes I get sick of their phones having features locked out. At least having an open phone would be a good start for providers. |
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jmn1207
Premium
join:2000-07-19
Reston, VA
 ·Verizon FIOS
| reply to broccoli
Re: Look who's talking
Skype has tons of various 3rd party plugins with millions of downloads. Use of their API can be found in the EULA.
»www.skype.com/legal/eula/
Nobody is claiming to want to rewrite their own wireless network here, they just want to be able to use their own ideas over the existing networks in a fair manner.
Skype adheres to this fundamental belief as can be seen in 3rd party applications used on their protocol.
»about.skype.com/2007/04/skype_ex···ads.html |
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chemaupr
join:2005-06-06
Alexandria, VA | reply to swhitney2003
Re: +1 For openess
same here. was is the point to pay so much for new PDAs when most of the nice features on it are locked out. |
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Simba7
join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT | One reason I'm with Alltel. I can use Skype on my PPC6800 using my unlimited data plan or when I'm near, WiFi.
..then I have my regular Alltel number.. Not to mention "My Circle".. *sigh* |
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SSX4life
Premium
join:2004-02-13
·RoadRunner Cable
| EU data carriers are much more open, take a clue guys! You can have your cellphone and go from one carrier to another and not be tied down by red tape and other bullsh!t.
One of the reasons I have my skype phone at home  Screw the telecom companies and their duplicitous attitudes (yes duplicitous is a word go look it up).
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MrMaster
What If
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join:2000-12-16
Austin, TX
clubs:
·RoadRunner Cable
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said by Simba7 :One reason I'm with Alltel. I can use Skype on my PPC6800 using my unlimited data plan or when I'm near, WiFi. ..then I have my regular Alltel number.. Not to mention "My Circle".. *sigh* and you know that Alltel becomes VZW Wireless effective Jan 1? |
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swhitney2003
I can't drive 55.
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join:2003-06-13
NH
clubs: | does one lose 'my circle' at that date, or upon a renewed plan? just curious. |
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EPS
join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA
| Alltel.com's Merger Information page claims that you can "continue to count on benefits that will provide you with the real choices and flexibility required to meet your calling needs", including MyCircle. Now, I'd hope that means that MyCircle will be extended across Verizon Wireless, but what it more likely means is that current Alltel customers will keep MyCircle as a grandfathered plan as long as they'd like, until they want to change their plan. It's similar in most cellular mergers IIRC- for example, when Cingular bought the old AT&T Wireless, AT&T customers could keep their plans (though I suppose those on TDMA had to switch eventually). |
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MrMaster
What If
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join:2000-12-16
Austin, TX
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·RoadRunner Cable
| said by EPS :Alltel.com's Merger Information page claims that you can "continue to count on benefits that will provide you with the real choices and flexibility required to meet your calling needs", including MyCircle. Now, I'd hope that means that MyCircle will be extended across Verizon Wireless, but what it more likely means is that current Alltel customers will keep MyCircle as a grandfathered plan as long as they'd like, until they want to change their plan. It's similar in most cellular mergers IIRC- for example, when Cingular bought the old AT&T Wireless, AT&T customers could keep their plans (though I suppose those on TDMA had to switch eventually). I honestly don't know but I assume this to be how it's probably going to work. I'm sure the alltel forum on howardforums.com will give the right answer.
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mmoon
join:2005-12-03
Marietta, GA | Wild West???
There is no possibility of a "Wild West" scenario if the provider end were set up correctly... |
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tomdchi
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join:2007-03-08
Starkville, MS
1 edit | reply to swhitney2003
Re: Look who's talking
Thats what they want you to think but guess what...All those calls are going over someone elses computer connection using p2p.
I have a t1 and had to stop using them after I noticed that skype was crippling my network. Anytime I had it running it would max out my connection.
Their whole model is based on using YOUR bandwidth and computer not thiers.
I have never used vonage but they have their own technology that does not work in this manner. If I was to ever use voip again it would be them. |
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funchords
Hello
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Washington, DC
·Verizon Online DSL
·Skype
| I'd love to hear an explanation on how Skype managed to max out a 1.5 Mbps (T1) connection. Something else had to be going on.
Yes, it's P2P. Yes, your node can help firewalled connections connect. I've never caught it using more than 10 KB/s when idle. |
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tomdchi
Premium
join:2007-03-08
Starkville, MS
| I wish I could give you the explanation but I am no expert so i won't pretend to be. What I do know is that if skype is running and I check the traffic graph of my router (only me online with no other programs running) it is maxed. As soon as I close skype there is no traffic. This has been replicated many times on different computers. |
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funchords
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join:2001-03-11
Washington, DC | I'm open minded, but I just don't understand why that would be. Is there any chance that traffic graph is dynamic? |
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tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| cripple voip packets
voip is killing off the plain old telephone subscriptions as it should, however telcos will draw a line in the sand for wireless broadband... voip over wireless threatens to kill off a cash cow that has the most surcharged telecommunications service in the telco industry (for which consumers roll over and gladly empty their pockets). they keep smart phones that have potential voip application either from being made or at such a high price, it would only go to those who would buy cell phone service anyway because they're so rich, it wouldn't matter.. it's just a value added application.
Verizon will not allow voip to replace cell service. It is their biggest profit ROI service-- almost as good as the hay-days of just after Ma-Bell broke up. Together, Verizon and AT&T are majority carriers in the cell industry. Sprint and Tmobile, and other minority share carriers get the scraps left over.
This still doesn't mean that wireless voip devices shouldn't be made... voip applications are already popping up in portable media players, proprietary wifi phones, gps devices, and probably digital cameras and cars next. |
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Tigerpaw509
Premium
join:2006-07-15
Huntley, IL | Network needed
Hey I got a great idea build your own network |
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