baineschile
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| 130 HD channels FRAUD
The only thing direct tv has going is the amount of HD channels, 130. Of course, 10 are PPV, and 40 or so are west feeds from movie channels (starz, hbo, etc), but who really pays attention to that anyways.
Satellite will demise unless direct tv and dish partner up; even then, it will be nearly impossible to keep up with the infrastructure that cable and the telcos offer |
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Matt
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Jamestown, NC | I have to agree. There is a core subset of channels that are nice to have in HD and the rest is fluff.
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dnoyeB
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I don't see why that will happen. If they offer solid TV, then they will be fine. They don't need to offer 130HD channels at the same time. Only about 4 channels need to be available simultaneously.
The triple play is meaningless. Comcast tries to sell me on that every time I call for something. Their sale price is $33, Vonage regular price is $15. Comcast has no intention on being competitive.
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Matt
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| said by dnoyeB  :The triple play is meaningless. Comcast tries to sell me on that every time I call for something. Their sale price is $33, Vonage regular price is $15. Comcast has no intention on being competitive. They aren't trying to compete with an inferior product. The cable VoIP (digital phone) offering is a much more mature, stable, product than Vonage. They are trying to compete with POTS.
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satellite_boost
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| satellites cost too much
satellites work well as transmit only devies (as in satellite tv). once they are converted for two-way communications, you begin to see the limits of the technology. the other problem is where murdoch is right, the "wired" technology is developing at warp speed, while satellite technology is stuck in its infancy. with the dissolving of the space program, high orbit satellites are becoming dinosaurs and low orbit satellites have very high upfront costs associated with building and launch. satellites will always have a place in telecom as a backup/supporting role, but as for being a mainstream two-way communications, that simply will not happen for a long, long time, if ever. |
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rsa0
join:2003-01-25
Birmingham, AL | reply to Matt
Re: 130 HD channels FRAUD
Whatever you are smoking, it ain't working..."compete with an inferior product" - and how is Comcast or any other cable phone provider superior? when the cable is down, they are down too !!! Customer service ? ha ! enlighten me please ! |
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itguy05
join:2005-06-17
Camp Hill, PA
| Huh?
Who cares about the Triple Play?
Landlines are dying a slow death:
»Landline Use Continues Slow Death
Internet access and TV are where it's at. That being said they do need to partner for Net access somehow. But many of us want the best TV and most HD so we'll stick with Dish.
Market and deliver it as a superior product and people will come. |
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Matt
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Re: 130 HD channels FRAUD
said by rsa0 :Whatever you are smoking, it ain't working..."compete with an inferior product" - and how is Comcast or any other cable phone provider superior? when the cable is down, they are down too !!! Customer service ? ha ! enlighten me please ! Instead of asking me to do your research for you, how about you put the lazy pipe down and go read the technical docs on why the MSOs digital phone product is superior to VoIP ... especially the part that requires them to register as a CLEC to meet certain regulations ... and then the part about the difference in the VoIP packets traveling over a private QoS controlled network vs. the public internet.
That should get you started.
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fiberguy
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| Around these parts, SUPERIOR means CHEAPER.. I don't think I will ever conform to that standard of thinking. (Now before the opportunistics jump on this, more expensive doesn't mean better either)
He also forgets when your DSL or Cable Modem goes down, so does your vonage. I mean, the arguments around here area generally always held on the surface and never get deep enough to matter. There is much more to "technology" and "excellence" than just things like price and "I hate comcast" (or insert name of cable company here) |
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hottboiinnc
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Cleveland, OH | reply to Matt
MSOs do not have to register in Ohio as a CLEC. |
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2 edits | DirecTV will be fine
As much as people like to bash them, the satellite companies provide a useful service:
- As an alternative to cable TV, where the monopolistic cable company delivers a subpar, overpriced product, and alternatives such as FiOS are not available
- TV programming delivery for rural areas not served by cable and mobiles (RVs and even minivans/SUVs)
I do wish though, that the satellite/TV programming industry had not gone all out to wipe out C-Band BUD for the home user as it was in the old days. I wish I could get more HD channels on BUD because I want master quality programming, and BUD is really the only way to go (if you don't have FiOS).
What is really killing the sat companies are the requirement to carry local channels, instead of one national feed of the affiliates. I can understand the need to preserve local advertising by affiliates though (I do work in the industry). |
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cypherstream
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Re: satellites cost too much
Yeah but Satellites are so much easier to deploy. Just launch a few and your done for the country. With cable or wireline competitors you spend YEARS and BILLIONS in wiring up fiber optic lines across the country, while people wait what seems like an eternity.
Here's to Comcast's 33 HD channels and stuck with it's inferior 750 MHz bandwidth that they refuse to upgrade.
I would of had DirecTV long ago, but with no clear line of sight I can't get it. If they could innovate and make the antenna/receiver like XM or Sirius and all you have to do is make your antenna outside, they would have millions more sign up. Even those in apartments who could just dangle a little silver dollar antenna outside a window. Until then F- You DirectTV, and F-You Verizon for not even thinking of wiring up Berks County PA. Comcast is my only choice. They may move at a snails pace, but it's better than nothing at all. |
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Matt
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Re: 130 HD channels FRAUD
said by hottboiinnc :MSOs do not have to register in Ohio as a CLEC. »www.puco.ohio.gov/apps/Regulated···m?IID=58
If they want to offer phone service, yes they do. They have to meet the same requirements as a CLEC as an ILEC does.
See the following:
»codes.ohio.gov/oac/4901%3A1-3
»codes.ohio.gov/oac/4901%3A1-5
»codes.ohio.gov/oac/4901%3A1-6
»codes.ohio.gov/oac/4901%3A1-7
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EPS
join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA
| Decline of DSL?
I wonder if this is connected to the decline of DSL, for which DirecTV (and Dish) had bundling deals with the telcos, in favor of cable broadband and "next-gen" telco networks like U-Verse and FiOS, which compete with DirecTV for television. No one's really pushing standalone internet like they used to. |
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Nightfall
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| Directv will be around for a long time to come
I wouldn't go touting the demise of Directv just yet. Even if all they do is broadcast television, they will be fine. They have much lower infrastructure costs compared to Comcast. Their service is better IMHO. They lead in HD selection and look to continue to lead for a long time. Comcast isn't stepping up to the plate when it comes to HD thats for sure.
The key will be in the next 3-4 years when Comcast does upgrade enough to get as much HD as Directv. Same with other providers. How will Directv compete besides to lower prices?
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SillyRabbit
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Re: 130 HD channels FRAUD
Many of the channels are fluff and yet they still have more HD than any other provider. The picture quality is better than most companies except for maybe Verizon FiosTV. They're all liars. However, DirecTV provides a satisfying TV viewing experience. If they want to do tripple play, maybe they should partner with Clearwire? |
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jt1
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comcast digital voice is not the same as vonage . try calling regular 911 with vonage. does vonage still work in a power outage. comcast digital voice does. i hate when stupid people only look at price. you have to take a look at what you get and how it works too stupid people. |
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jt1
@comcast.net | reply to SillyRabbit
not sure if clearwire would do it considering comcast has put over a billion into the company. i think they would try to make it so that does not happen. |
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Matt
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said by SillyRabbit :
Many of the channels are fluff and yet they still have more HD than any other provider. The picture quality is better than most companies except for maybe Verizon FiosTV. They're all liars. However, DirecTV provides a satisfying TV viewing experience. If they want to do tripple play, maybe they should partner with Clearwire?
I had the opposite experience. So much so that I paid their ridiculous ETF to go back to cable. And I saved money and got an HD DVR.
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viperlmw
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Re: Huh?
said by itguy05 :Who cares about the Triple Play? Landlines are dying a slow death: » Landline Use Continues Slow DeathInternet access and TV are where it's at. That being said they do need to partner for Net access somehow. But many of us want the best TV and most HD so we'll stick with Dish. Market and deliver it as a superior product and people will come. Your last sentence hi-lites the reason POTS will be around for a long time. While one aspect of cell phones is superior to POTS (mobility), another aspect of POTS is superior (call quality). Plus, E911 tends to work better with POTS. POTS is more reliable than VOIP, and E911 works better also, while a good VOIP call can have better call quality. So if you are correct about the superior product, some people will continue with POTS. |
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