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Comments on news posted 2008-09-19 17:14:57: Time Warner Cable CEO Glenn Britt, whose company is currently engaged in metered billing trials, this week told investors that he believes that all broadband service will eventually be metered or consumption-based. ..
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  BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | REASONABLE caps ok. REASONABLE caps I don't have an issue with. Comcast's 250 GB cap is at the low level of what I think of as reasonable. For 2008, 2009 it's reasonable in 2013 probably not so reasonable. Caps should be raised minimum 10% per year.
$1 or more overage charges are NOT reasonable. You can't tell me if someone uses 50 extra GB of bandwidth it costs that ISP $50 to provide that extra bandwidth. Even at 20¢ per GB the ISPs are making a good profit.
Rollover GBs. If using too much bandwidth costs the ISP money then not using much should be SAVING the company money therefore any unused GB under the cap should be rolled over to the next month.
So in conclusion, if an ISP has a minimum of a 250 GB cap 20¢ or less overage per GB and rollover GB then I don't have an issue with a cap. Anything less than this and they are full of shit. | |
|  Boomer86never say roadkillPremium
join:2002-10-18
Walden, NY | robber barons, they aspire to be! TWC gets exactly $29.95 a month from me for Road Runner Basic, and I refuse to pay one cent more. Sadly I live about five miles outside the Verizon FiOS footprint, and our only other landline BB option is Frontier DSL, which is in the process of implementing its own ridiculous cap (not to mention its refusal to compete on price).
I'd go EV-DO rev. A, but Sprint PCS doesn't reach me here and VZW has a miserly cap as well.
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| | BF69Premium
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Camden, TN | Re: robber barons, they aspire to be! said by Boomer86:TWC gets exactly $29.95 a month from me for Road Runner Basic, and I refuse to pay one cent more. Sadly I live about five miles outside the Verizon FiOS footprint, and our only other landline BB option is Frontier DSL, which is in the process of implementing its own ridiculous cap (not to mention its refusal to compete on price). I'd go EV-DO rev. A, but Sprint PCS doesn't reach me here and VZW has a miserly cap as well. Sprint has the same 5 GB cap that VZW does | |
| | | iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: robber barons, they aspire to be! One word: Millenicom. | |
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 dnoyeBFerrous Phallus
join:2000-10-09
Southfield, MI | Two faced CEOs always give this speech. its intended for the consumption of the investors.
The reality is, internet companies are taking business away from telephone companies precisely because they do not use caps and the phone companies do.
ISPs want the old telco business model, while at the same time soundly thrashing the telco business model. Its not gonna happen. If there were say, only 2 or 3 ISPs, then they could collude and make it happen. As it stand, the only way it will happen is if they get the government to pass a law that allows them to force it on us.
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| | iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: Two faced Problem is, in some areas (Beaumont) there ARE only two or three ISPs. Feelin' sorry for the folks there who have to pay $1.50 pe=lus per GB without even going over... | |
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| | They are nickel and diming us all over again ala LD pre-2000 This is nothing more than an attempt by the cableco's to RESURRECT the old business model that made all the telco's so much money, all the way up to the late 90s!
Paying X amount of money per downloaded MB or GB per month =
Paying 0.25 to 0.05 cents per minute of LONG DISTANCE!
SAME DAMN THING!
Apparently they just don't got enough money lining their pockets and feel a FILTHY NEED to FILCH off their ALREADY PAYING customers who THEMSELVES would not be paying them AT ALL if not for the fact that bandwidth is so very much more attractive over dial-up options anymore.
Basically, this whole "metered broadband" (with or without any monthy cap idea) is only going to become a fusing together of how dial-up used to work + long distance which used to always nickel and dime you every damn minute!
What is next? PRIME times and "off-peak" times for cable broadband internet too?
So will we then pay less for downloading at night as opposed to paying more per MB/GB during the day?
Are we going to have LATA-like tolls now too, when Internet2 with IPv6 comes along where we have to pay more just to cross a domain or IP IDN boundary????
This is crap!
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|  dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4 | yeah, if. . . . the future is ever increasing corporate GREED.
less for more | |
| | | | Re: yeah, if. . . . And that is why we are in the situation we are today, and it will get worse until corporations stop trying to F the customer. The government needs to step in and start slapping this companies, i know is not as easy as it sounds.
The banks got greedy, look at the big ones now.
The house builders got greedy look at them now.
Oil Countries are/got greedy, well soon they will regret it, everything that's affecting us, will be affecting the whole world, just sit back and enjoy OPEC, you will feel it too.  | |
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| | Another corporate scam 90% of the content in web pages I download is photos and advertisements that I don't want and I didn't ask for. Why should I pay for that?
Even Yahoo messenger is constantly downloading advertisements, without my consent and I have no way to stop it. The Adobe Flash player is downloading video ads non-stop. A web page with 10 lines of text that I want to read can often contain hundreds of lines of Javascript code. Even if you disable Javascript, the code still downloads and most people are not even aware of it.
90% of what you download is unwanted junk. Charging for bandwidth sounds like another corporate scam. Give me control over what I download, and then we'll talk $/GB. | |
| | iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
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| Re: Another corporate scam Amen to that. It's like charging for power by the KWh but allowing companies to plug in huge electro-lit billborads into your power system, then having you pay for it. Not cool. Though 8real* utility-style billing is preferable to the cap crap they're foisting on people now. | |
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| | And we can legislate it away. It should come as no surprise that the same kind of jackasses that ran banks into the ground are making decisions about internet access. It will be our job to push for a law to stop the practice so that the internet can stay open and fair. This latest banks crisis has taught up one very important thing. That if a company is on the stock market, all they care about is unlimited profits and they will break laws, cheat, or walk all over anyone to get them. Regulation is very important as it is the only way to keep a company working the stock market fair. | |
| | kpatzMY HEAD A SPLODEPremium
join:2003-06-13
Manchester, NH | Re: And we can legislate it away. said by insomniac84:Iall they care about is unlimited profits and they will... If they want caps on our bandwidth, then we want caps on their profit!! | |
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join:2008-05-04
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|  A bridge..?
Look at Bill gates for instance, he made a comment long ago, (Basically when computers were just starting out) saying how they'd only need what was it.. 64k worth of memory? (Whatever the case it was a very small amount by today's standards) And it was WRONG. I think that being the most important thing to note.
Cell phones, you can look at how they changed there system.
Time Warner's "Metered broadband" is like a step backwards as far as progress goes.
I'm with a lot of people, even if the option isn't available to me yet. That fibers the future. Un-metered bandwidth is the future.
Maybe its wrong, but I always looked at internet as a bridge. I pay to bring content across the bridge.(And the person or business at the other end, has paid to be able to do the same as me) And I pay for what I want to bring across it. The load so to say. Not particularly the amount or times I cross it.(And lets say I move houses, well I am going to pay for there biggest tier or bridge, so that I can get it done at a good pace, and they can make there money, and everyone could be happy)
But the way there going, there turning into a farking toll bridge, or gate, and now every time I go to pass I am going to get haggled for more money. Even if I am not doing any work just site seeing.
Maybe what I just said is silly. I do know this though,I believe what there doing is idiotic.
Of course this is just my 2 cent worth. Glad I don't have to deal with this crap yet. | |
| | | Hypermiling techniques applied to your connection? We have all read about the people who use a variety of techniques to boost their mileage. If metering became a reality wouldn't we have to use the same sort of techniques to avoid overcharges or downright disconnection? Instead of just blocking adverts, unwanted flash, splashy id banners, verbose emails, spam, and crap of all kinds, new plug-ins that would prevent download in the first place would be needed. And they would certainly appear. If many people block ads simply because they are annoying, wouldn't far more block them to save money? And wouldn't this capping then anger some of the very corporations that providers are trying to partner with? | |
| | | | Re: Hypermiling techniques applied to your connection? We can only hope.
TWC is out of their tree. | |
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 roc5955Premium
join:2005-11-26
Rosendale, NY | Metered broadband... They want to cap their crap. Then they should guarantee 99.999% uptime, or refund any part that they do not provide. I guess it's one way for them to push their crappy video on demand, and prohibit you from downloading movies. Oh well, the holiday was nice, while we had it.
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| | | I'm Leaving if they impose such a cap. The day Time Warner starts a 5 gb or 40 gb cap, will be the day I cancel all their services. Time Warner, are you listening? | |
| | | The day Time Warner starts a 5 gb or 40 gb cap, will be the day I cancel all their services. Time Warner, are you listening? | |
| | | It is easy to tell that the CEO (and obviously other top dogs making the decisions at TWC) hasn't got the slightest idea of what people are using the web for today.
I'm publishing a blog,
Uploading, downloading and streaming videos (yes, all legally)
Videochatting w/ my relatives that live across the country
and admittedly I'm younger so that skews things, but even my MOM is starting to watch videos on YouTube. And she started uploading hundreds of pictures from traveling - which are bigger files of course b/c today's digital cameras take such high res pics...
So the point is, it's not just "the kids 'n gamers" that are using the web intensively - its starting to become everyone - including our moms!
But I'm not worried b/c competition is going to put these guys out on the curb. Fios is crazy fast and will dominate once they expand into more areas. And WiMAX is rolling out over the next few years, then LTE. TWC is already going to be left in the dust...
It looks like TWC is following AOL's old model of the nineties - start out fine, then as the years go on get sluggish and sit on your a$$ while competitors are innovating like crazy.
...and you know how *well* AOL is doing these days! | |
| | | Proponents for metered access like to compare it to electricity. But they can't be compared at all because the results of usage is completely different:
- physical resource like electricity = once depleted, needs to be produced again
- network bandwidth, comparable to roads, to cpu, to ram = contention for usage; resource inherently becomes available when contention lessens; NO permanent depletion | |
| | | Put a gun to every executive's head and force them to sell the surplus bandwidth with no markup. | |
| | | 40 GB is nothing. Any user who is not a grandma is going to eat through that in a week with youtube, gaming, FTP, p2p, etc.
It should be MINIMUM 150 GB/month as the standard package. Charge .50c after that per GB. | |
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| once they move from trials in texas to footprint-wide (not likely but possible) they will see customers cancel. no doubt. it is doubtful that TWC would try this in NYC where FIOS is just getting warmed up. that's the same as handing over your market share lock, stock and barrel, without firing a shot. the goal posts are moving closer and closer to realizing that they have 30% of the cable access market (phone, tv and internet) and can use that power in greedy ways. just as oil companies realize, if there's noone else to buy from, the customer is fenced in. what would be truly remarkable is that a township, county or city becomes fed-up with the practice and goes ahead with brining 2nd, 3rd and 4th party carriers into compete. this will stop capping dead in its tracks. some tweaking of the telco/cableco footprints may be necessary... in some cases outright 3rd party carriers should be given grants to provide service without any possible legal recourse for incumbent carriers.
this will be left up to the next administration, becuase all Bush wants to do is work on his exiting office pardons for the crooks who collectively ran the country into the ground. | |
| mrvid
join:2007-06-19
Levittown, NY
4 edits | I mentioned this in the forum but I wanted to put it here in hopes Mr. Britt may see it and consider it.
Face it, TWC wants to use metering caps, but they can have major disadvanges. If customers can't enjoy the rich movement of photos, playing videos off the net, downloading, emailing in abundance, online banking, etc. it may move people away from the net and ultimately hurt the company.
I see that TWC seems to have a strong feeling for wanting to push this metering method so I have a suggestion. Give us something and we give you something (at least this is what I would want if I were a TWC customer)...
Offer unlimited internet (metering costs waived) if all 3 services (phone, cable & internet) are ordered through them. We give something to TWC and they give back to us.
Face it, we read that metering may become inevitable so I want to suggest this now, TWC, please consider it!!!
Am I anti viop, iptv, no i'm not, this is just a different pricing method, their not slowing them down or trying to block them. Its just a question of, if this is the new pricing scheme, does it still pay to use their services, who knows, maybe it still does. | |
| | | figured since they consider metered service to be inevitable, why should I wait to dump TW.
Got a better deal on my net/phone from the local baby bell. And satellite gives me more of the channels I want than cable ever did for a lower price.
Bye TW. | |
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