RayW
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Layton, UT
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| No such thing as "no-cost"
Someone has to pay for power, maintenance, and bandwidth and vapor revenues from vapor ads will not do it.
But I suppose the anti muni group will use this as a reason why muni's should not try to give the voters their requested broadband, even though the free stuff is a flawed program for anyone trying to do it and it is definitely not the people trying to get any type of decent service despite what the corporate world wants to let us have.
Have never been able to figure out, if Utopia and other muni driven systems are so bad, and are in areas that the corporations say are not worth doing, why do the corporations pay so much in bribes and advertising and fight so hard to kill or cripple them? If they are bad, then they will fail no matter what happens, or is there something really going on?.
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AVonGauss
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join:2007-11-01
Boynton Beach, FL
| Boynton
In this particular case, it was a very limited rollout that did not cover most of the city area including the areas with the most population or the areas where people spent a lot of their time, such as the commercial districts.
I do agree with the other poster, I think any community will be hard pressed to support a WiFi or LTE implementation by selling ad space. |
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stevesa
Former Crunchie Iv Host
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join:2000-06-29
Boaz, AL
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| It can be done.
I think the biggest problem with these municipal networks it simply the fact that the cities try to go out and create them on their own. I work for a small cable operator here in Tennessee. We have partnered with the City of South Pittsburg to provide WiFi to the residents and businesses within the city limits. We have 110 access points that we installed on our existing infrastructure. The incremental cost of maintaining the network is nominal. It pretty much falls within the normal plant maintenance. »www.southpittsburg-tn.gov/ |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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| reply to RayW
Re: No such thing as "no-cost"
Wimax is a possible "easier to maintain with less APs" solution coming along. WiFi will never make it in citywide implementations.
And since most people are now getting data plans on their cellphones, the need for citywide WiFi isn't really needed. |
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DrModem
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join:2006-10-19
USA | I think the mistake
Is making it a free service.
It should cost something to the end users IMO. |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| Elected Officials Must Go
The elected officials who supported this waste of money should do the honorable thing and quit now. Hopefully the voters will kick them out of office if that doesn't happen.
Governments have no business providing Internet service at taxpayer expense.
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tshirt
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join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
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Re: It can be done.
That certainly is the most practical, to use an existing network system.
What do you charge the city per user? or is it purely a subcriber based service? (ie Pay to Play)
What is the partnership aspect? |
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ISurfTooMuch
join:2007-04-23
Tuscaloosa, AL
| Wi-fi is the problem
I think the problem is that cities are using wi-fi as their access method. 802.11b/g was never designed to be deployed on such a large scale in an outdoor environment where users are accessing it at a great distance. It simply requires too many access points. These cities think they're doing things on the cheap, but it ends up costing them more than they expected. IMHO, they should either use something like WiMAX, or, better yet, they should build out FTTH. It may cost more up front, but it's a far better solution in the end. |
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RayW
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join:2001-09-01
Layton, UT
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| reply to pnh102
Re: Elected Officials Must Go
said by pnh102  :Governments have no business providing Internet service at taxpayer expense. "government of the people, by the people, and for the people" Did not a famous president by the name of Lincoln say that in defining Democracy, such as we supposedly have?
Or are you saying that should be "government of the people, by the corporation, and for the benefit of the corporation" since you do not believe that we should get together and have our elected representatives use the power of many to provide services to the people? Hmm.... too bad we can not apply your theory to welfare and a few other items that benefit the few paid by the many. But then, corporations do not want it since they do not care about people, just profits and control.
Granted that there is not too much difference in the bigger corporations and the Federal Government these days, except that the Government we think we elect and from the corporations we buy what we are told to.
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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Mount Airy, MD | Are you saying that elected officials who wasted precious taxpayer money on BS should be allowed to stay?
You speak like someone who doesn't pay taxes.
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RayW
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Layton, UT
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| Re: Elected Officials have to Go To work
said by pnh102 :Are you saying that elected officials who wasted precious taxpayer money on BS should be allowed to stay? You speak like someone who doesn't pay taxes. Sorry, but I have paid taxes for too many years, and still doing it.
I can waste my money with my elected government or I can waste it with your corporation. I know you prefer the corporation taking the money, but for myself, I would rather have the local government doing it and having more of it stay local.
Corporations do have one advantage over local governments, they are not accountable to the people, and if it looks like they do not get their way, they buy a politician or two and get a law tossed on as a hidden rider at the Federal or State level to do what they want, despite what the people want or what may have been the right thing to do.
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a333
A hot cup of integrals please
join:2007-06-12
Rego Park, NY
·Cingular Wireless
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to RayW
Re: Elected Officials Must Go
Government by the people, blah blah blah doesn't mean social welfare. It also doesn't mean pork barrel welfare services that only help raise our national/state level debt. Internet is NOT a utility, buddy. The government is only supposed to help fund UTILITIES, such as water/sewage, and roads, NOT broadband. It's YOUR problem you moved to an area that was out of the reach of broadband. It's NOT my responsibility to help fund your need to play WoW at broadband speeds. If your livelihood depends on internet, either move, ar get a T1 line.
And I don't support the corporate bailouts either, though I must say, the entire AIG/Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac was necessary, due to the possible implications of ignoring their failures. |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| reply to RayW
Re: Elected Officials have to Go To work
said by RayW :I can waste my money with my elected government or I can waste it with your corporation. Last I checked we have no choice but to pay taxes. At least if I do not like the services provided by a private company I can go tell them to shove it. Since taxes are obligatory, government at all levels must be judicious about how that money is spent.
said by RayW :Corporations do have one advantage over local governments, they are not accountable to the people, and if it looks like they do not get their way, they buy a politician or two and get a law tossed on as a hidden rider at the Federal or State level to do what they want, despite what the people want or what may have been the right thing to do. Government does everything it can to kill private enterprise every day. Why is it surprising when shareholders of private companies try to fight back? There's nothing wrong with looking out for your own interests when you have parasites in government trying to leech off your success.
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John Galt
Forward, March
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Happy Camp
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Re: Elected Officials Must Go
said by pnh102 :Governments have no business providing Internet service at taxpayer expense. There is that little matter of the telcos that took $200 Billion to provide broadband and provided -nothing- in return.
»www.newnetworks.com/ShortSCANDALSummary.htm
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| said by John Galt :There is that little matter of the telcos that took $200 Billion to provide broadband and provided -nothing- in return. Which, if it is true, only serves to prove my point that government should not be funding any Internet with tax money.
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John Galt
Forward, March
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Happy Camp
·CenturyLink
| Please write us a check for the $200 Billion plus interest and all will be forgiven.
Well, kinda...there is that "acting in collusion with the criminal element in the government to wiretap innocent Americans" thing that still needs to be worked out.
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wierdo
join:2001-02-16
Tulsa, OK
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| reply to pnh102
Re: Elected Officials have to Go To work
said by pnh102 :Government does everything it can to kill private enterprise every day. You are quite obviously delusional if you actually believe that.
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RayW
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join:2001-09-01
Layton, UT
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| reply to a333
Re: Elected Officials Must Go
said by a333 :Government by the people, blah blah blah doesn't mean social welfare. It also doesn't mean pork barrel welfare services that only help raise our national/state level debt. Internet is NOT a utility, buddy. The government is only supposed to help fund UTILITIES, such as water/sewage, and roads, NOT broadband. It's YOUR problem you moved to an area that was out of the reach of broadband. It's NOT my responsibility to help fund your need to play WoW at broadband speeds. If your livelihood depends on internet, either move, ar get a T1 line. And I don't support the corporate bailouts either, though I must say, the entire AIG/Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac was necessary, due to the possible implications of ignoring their failures. You forget one minor issue...the majority of THE PEOPLE here voted to do Utopia. And who do you think started the first utilities as mentioned? Mostly governments. One town I lived in back in the 60's was all muni, the town I live in now is a mix of muni/private for "essential services", another town I lived in was all private except for the lights, roads and protective services.
What is WoW, a porn site? (Since that seems to be what most people making your statements refer to.) I personally use the net mostly for work, school, and research. Plus a bit of chaos watching here.
Internet access/telephone/TV are just a bit more lucrative than power, sewers and trash, that is why the companies can afford to spend all that money to keep the people from being involved.
As far as the financial crisis, that is another issue that is outside this one. Too bad the Senate did not take care of it sooner instead of voting down bills that may have helped and passing dumb rules.
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a333
A hot cup of integrals please
join:2007-06-12
Rego Park, NY
·Cingular Wireless
·Verizon Online DSL
| Dude, electricity and water/sewage are survival NEEDS. Broadband is NOT. PERIOD...
Tell me ONE thing you cannot do without broadband that is essential to your basic life necessities. If I had to go w/o water/sewage, or electricity for more than a day, I'd probably not survive properly given our current lifestyles. Without broadband, I sure as hell could just get either dialup or use my school's/library's internet.
Government's purpose is NOT to provide luxuries/non-utilities to the general public. It is to protect the damn nation, and provide essential services. As we have seen, gov't is bad at doing even those two. We've been attacked by a couple of bearded men 7 years ago(and we're still a sitting duck), and our healthcare system's a bloody failure. Crime could be lower in MANY cities, and our education system ain't exactly stellar. I'd much rather fix those than allocate taxpayer money to stuff like this. At least they're necessities/important services citizens deserve. Broadband, as I've mentioned, isn't a right. It's YOUR fault you moved to a location that doesn't have enough ROI to justify broadband deployment. Gotta love country living now, eh? As I've said, if your livelihood is on the line, get a T1 or Satellite. Heck, 3G cellular networks have blanket coverage across vast swaths of the States. It's not yer constitutional right to be able to comsume gigagobs of data per month. If you want that right, move to Greyjing or Pyongyang, and enjoy their walled garden flavor of teh interwebs.
And... speaking of Utopia, you people apparently didn't make much of a smart choice there, innit? Apparently, it's now an, ehh, bottomless money pit, incurring losses faster than you can say FAIL... |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | reply to John Galt
That will come from bill payers before stockholders. |
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