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Comments on news posted 2008-09-24 12:04:07: Comcast's new 250GB monthly cap goes into effect one week from today, though customers have not yet been given an officially sanctioned consumption tracking tool. ..
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 | | in protest cancel you account in protest!
fewer customers they have!
will get the message!
30% becomes 25%!
then 20%,etc!
then 0%! | |
| | |  Only 1.6075% utilization @ 6MBps
250GB = 250,000 MB at 6 MB/s = 41666.67s = 11.57 hours.
Hence for a month with 30 days = 720 hours, the total utilization can be only for:
11.57/720 *100 = 1.6075%.
So even though we are paying for being able to use 100% of the bandwidth for all the time, in reality we can use it only for 1.6075% of the time, at full capacity.
Isn't this illegal?? | |
| | | | Re: Only 1.6075% utilization @ 6MBps My calculations were something like 13%. Still an issue. | |
| |  espaethDigital PlumberPremium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
kudos:2
 ·Clear Wireless
| said by foofoo_2 :
250GB = 250,000 MB at 6 MB/s = 41666.67s = 11.57 hours. 6megabit = 0.75megaBYTEs/sec.
But hey, let's do some more fun math:
14,400,000 HSI subscribers
275 subscribers per downstream 38mbps channel
3300 cable modem termination systems
14,400,000 / 275 = 52,364 downstream channels
52,364 / 3300 = 16 channels per CMTS.
Now, for this to work out so that everybody could use 100% 24x7, that would mean a maximum of 5 x 6mbps and 1 x 8mbps subscribers per downstream channel.
So:
14,400,000 HSI subs / 6 users per channel = 2,400,000 HSI downstream channels required.
2,400,000 channels / 16 channels per CMTS = 150,000 CMTSes required.
Now, the average CMTS typically costs between $350 and $700k (depending on how many cards you have installed), but since they would be buying a lot of them lets say they can get them for $275k each.
150,000 - 3300 (existing) = 146,700
146,700 * $275,000 = $40,342,500,000
So, for $40.3 billion in CMTS costs alone (excluding the extra node, amp, engineering costs) every Comcast customer can use their connection at 100% 24x7.
Will that be cash, check, charge, or PayPal? | |
| | | | | Re: Only 1.6075% utilization @ 6MBps said by espaeth:said by foofoo_2 :
250GB = 250,000 MB at 6 MB/s = 41666.67s = 11.57 hours. 6megabit = 0.75megaBYTEs/sec. But hey, let's do some more fun math: 14,400,000 HSI subscribers 275 subscribers per downstream 38mbps channel 3300 cable modem termination systems 14,400,000 / 275 = 52,364 downstream channels 52,364 / 3300 = 16 channels per CMTS. Now, for this to work out so that everybody could use 100% 24x7, that would mean a maximum of 5 x 6mbps and 1 x 8mbps subscribers per downstream channel. So: 14,400,000 HSI subs / 6 users per channel = 2,400,000 HSI downstream channels required. 2,400,000 channels / 16 channels per CMTS = 150,000 CMTSes required. Now, the average CMTS typically costs between $350 and $700k (depending on how many cards you have installed), but since they would be buying a lot of them lets say they can get them for $275k each. 150,000 - 3300 (existing) = 146,700 146,700 * $275,000 = $40,342,500,000 So, for $40.3 billion in CMTS costs alone (excluding the extra node, amp, engineering costs) every Comcast customer can use their connection at 100% 24x7. Will that be cash, check, charge, or PayPal? You can charge it to the government. After the Iraq war and the Wall Street rescue, it is a drop in the bucket. | |
| | | | beaups
join:2003-08-11
Hilliard, OH | Re: Only 1.6075% utilization @ 6MBps yeah the government should spend $40BB helping americans to be lazier and spend more time sitting in front of their computers downloading "linux" and "legal movies" than they already do. that'll help reinvigorate the economy. | |
| | | | | | | Re: Only 1.6075% utilization @ 6MBps HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA | |
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1 edit | said by beaups:yeah the government should spend $40BB helping americans to be lazier and spend more time sitting in front of their computers downloading "linux" and "legal movies" than they already do. that'll help reinvigorate the economy. Purchasing video content, telecomuting, online classes, remote security cameras, group colaboration, personal web publishing come to mind.
These things do help the economy and the environment.
Of course, like any tool, they can be used or misused. I see constructive activities, you see fat people doing nothing. Maybe it is a reflection of our own selves ?
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| beaups
join:2003-08-11
Hilliard, OH | your download speed is 6 megabits/s not 6 megabytes/s so it's closer to 15%. at any rate all of these cap complaints seem a bit ridiculous.
Nothing we use and/or pay monthly bills for is unlimited at a fixed price...well except some voice and cell plans (obviously people can only tolerate a phone to their ear for so long so it takes care of itself).
Everyone here bitches when people talk about a pay per use model, and everyone bitches when there is any talk of throttling or caps. Something obviously has to give...there is not unlimited bandwidth on the cable companies network, and at peak time the heavy downloaders ruin the experience for the casual users. what is the better solution? Invest millions or billions to upgrade the networks to cater to the few? In order to do that, prices go up a bunch...and when that happens and the lighter users can't justify the cost and disconnect your bill goes up even more.
Dont like it? Switch to a business class line. switch to DSL. Can't get either of those? if it's that important to your lifestyle then move somewhere where you can. better yet raise a few hundred million dollars and start your own cable company or run fiber all over. obviously if your ideas make such great fiscal sense, you will have no problem finding investors to back you
I REALLY wish we would go to a pay per GB system. My bills go down, the people who download 24/7's bills go up...and ultimately the service will get better as people will think twice about the junk they download.
And finally, everybody acts like these companies are just raking in cash by raping their customers. comcast makes about 10% net profit right? if they lower your bills by 10% per month and make no money and become a charity will you stop bitching? I bet I know the answer.... | |
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1 edit | Re: Only 1.6075% utilization @ 6MBps said by beaups:your download speed is 6 megabits/s not 6 megabytes/s so it's closer to 15%. at any rate all of these cap complaints seem a bit ridiculous. Nothing we use and/or pay monthly bills for is unlimited at a fixed price...well except some voice and cell plans (obviously people can only tolerate a phone to their ear for so long so it takes care of itself). Everyone here bitches when people talk about a pay per use model, and everyone bitches when there is any talk of throttling or caps. Something obviously has to give...there is not unlimited bandwidth on the cable companies network, and at peak time the heavy downloaders ruin the experience for the casual users. what is the better solution? Invest millions or billions to upgrade the networks to cater to the few? In order to do that, prices go up a bunch...and when that happens and the lighter users can't justify the cost and disconnect your bill goes up even more. Dont like it? Switch to a business class line. switch to DSL. Can't get either of those? if it's that important to your lifestyle then move somewhere where you can. better yet raise a few hundred million dollars and start your own cable company or run fiber all over. obviously if your ideas make such great fiscal sense, you will have no problem finding investors to back you I REALLY wish we would go to a pay per GB system. My bills go down, the people who download 24/7's bills go up...and ultimately the service will get better as people will think twice about the junk they download. And finally, everybody acts like these companies are just raking in cash by raping their customers. comcast makes about 10% net profit right? if they lower your bills by 10% per month and make no money and become a charity will you stop bitching? I bet I know the answer.... Apparently "business' class accounts are also affected by the cap.
Even if they go to a pay per GB model, your bill will not go down, in my opinion. Show an instance when a service provided by CC decreased in net quality and the bill got cheaper. Let's look at the newsgroup debacle, for one. Did anyone get a discount ? No.
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damoxPremium
join:2002-01-07
Olympia, WA Reviews:
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| It remains to be seen . . . I was a bit late in configuring my firewall for measuring bandwidth as I meant to do this like a couple of months ago but never got around to it. So at this point I only have a few days of history to go on. With my daughter being gone the entire time, my son and I have managed to use an average of 5347 megabytes a day. That comes out to a little more than 160000 megabytes in 30 days. However, I'm thinking my daughter is a heavy user and she will probably put us up closer to the cap. The cap average per day would be 8333 megabytes for 30 days (assuming Comcast is counting a gigabyte as 1000 megabytes instead of the actual 1024 megabytes that it should be.) The nice thing about this firewall is that I can set it to cut us off when it reaches it's limit. The bad thing is the meter only goes to 99000 megabytes, so I'd have to reset at least twice a month. In any case I will have to see how things go before I can decide on whether I am going to complain.
As to whether Comcast will raise the limits based on DOSSIS 3 and HD content, it will have a great deal to do with competition. Here in the Pacific Northwest, Qwest isn't very competitive so I'm not expecting much here. But should Qwest ever move to fiber here in Washington, they could make things very interesting. I cannot see Comcast retaining this cap if and when they begin delivering significantly higher bandwidth. I also think that as content and delivery methods across the internet change, that we will see an increase in the caps. Most importantly, I do think it's important for people to complain when they don't get the product they want or expect.
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| | | Lets talk about Price! While everyone else fights about how much bandwidth you can use and stuff. I want to fight about price. They are charging me 65 a month for 16 meg. After all of this QOS and caps and crap can i cap my price at 39.99? One of the few reasons i have comcast is Speed and freedom, now don't get me wrong i don't think i would ever go over the 250gb cap well maybe i will with DirecTv offering 1080p on demand. But still all of this new regulations and nothing on price. That's just not right, I may just be heading the way of ATT and when they do it Speakeasy here i come! | |
| | | Canada lowered their caps As can be seen north of the border with almost all isps caps were lowered. Some to as low as two gigabytes per month on broadband dsl. | |
| | | caps will stay for years if you think that they will raise caps your all fools.
look at what they want to try in canada
60GB caps across the board and NO competition.
we have ms/bell and rogers aka time warner onthe other
and telus just lost all respect other day by joining this group too.
no balls and no direction
bunch a pinko plutocrats | |
| | | Pic OK, good story, good comments. But why did BBR think that "Hammer Granny" was the right picture to use in conjuntion with a story about bandwidth caps? | |
| tacitus
join:2005-08-23
Ellicott City, MD | real reason for cap ... Observation - I suspect the real reason for the cap is so non-comcast HD downloadable vendors will not have a free ride to sell their products directly to comcast customers. | |
| | | | Re: real reason for cap ... said by tacitus:Observation - I suspect the real reason for the cap is so non-comcast HD downloadable vendors will not have a free ride to sell their products directly to comcast customers. It is not a "free" ride. Comcast customers pay for Internet access and video content producers pay for theirs.
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| | | tacitus
join:2005-08-23
Ellicott City, MD | Re: real reason for cap ... said by sturmvogel:It is not a "free" ride. Comcast customers pay for Internet access and video content producers pay for theirs. Perhaps free ride is the wrong wording - but comcast probably wants to limit "independents" competing with their cable video offerings in particular HD. | |
| | | | beaups
join:2003-08-11
Hilliard, OH | Re: real reason for cap ... I disagree. again, how many people are ACTIVELY streaming HD video over the internet? How many people would trade in their Comcast DVR box to stream hd video on a pc hooked up to their tv? I do it from time to time but I'm guessing it's ohhhh.... .0001% of the population? No, I have no data to back this up but I bet I'm close. and lets not even get started on the magic DirecTV VOD stuff, it actually COSTS MONEY to rent a movie from them, so it sounds like that rules out all the users on this forum...
If or when Comcast starts to lose a bunch of their video business to broadband, they will just raise the broadband price. I suspect that just like most providers, they charge you more for your internet if you are not a video customer anyhow. | |
| | | | | | | Re: real reason for cap ... said by beaups:I disagree. again, how many people are ACTIVELY streaming HD video over the internet? How many people would trade in their Comcast DVR box to stream hd video on a pc hooked up to their tv? I do it from time to time but I'm guessing it's ohhhh.... .0001% of the population? No, I have no data to back this up but I bet I'm close. and lets not even get started on the magic DirecTV VOD stuff, it actually COSTS MONEY to rent a movie from them, so it sounds like that rules out all the users on this forum... If or when Comcast starts to lose a bunch of their video business to broadband, they will just raise the broadband price. I suspect that just like most providers, they charge you more for your internet if you are not a video customer anyhow. In my experience, the stuff one can purchase from other video content providers is better quality and cheaper than CC, plus better choices.
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| | | | | | | | Re: real reason for cap ... said by sturmvogel:In my experience, the stuff one can purchase from other video content providers is better quality and cheaper than CC, plus better choices. Well if thats the case that I think Comcast better be concerned about Verizon Fios, their HD is supposed to be really good. | |
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 tuta23
join:2003-08-16
Houston, TX | Starting in January 2009!! Comcast has heard our customers!!
Now, starting in January 2009, you will have access to ALL YouTube content -- and it won't go against the cap! All this for only $3/month!
~~ Get ready. | |
|  disco9TonicPremium
join:2002-01-19
Seattle, WA | Canceled. I canceled my comcast internet service today. I know not everyone else has other options, but hopefully at least some will do the same. | |
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