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Comments on news posted 2008-09-24 16:10:17: The FCC made Wilmington, North Carolina their Guinea pig ahead of February's digital TV transition, with area broadcasters cutting analog transmissions on September 9. ..

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dirtwarrior

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A nightmare. rural places lol


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 Hawaii Senator panics over DTV conversion

»news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-100···1_3-0-20
At a hearing on the impending DTV transition Tuesday, Senator Daniel Inouye, chairman of the Commerce Committee, warned that the loss of analog over-the-air TV reception, occurring just 29 days into a new presidential administration, might spell trouble for a country already beset by the financial crisis.

"While federal agencies and industry have stepped up their efforts, I continue to be concerned that they are not fully prepared for the flood of coupon requests and calls that we can expect just before and after the transition," said the senator, a Democrat from Hawaii. "As the current administration winds down, both agencies must remain vigilant so that the next administration does not inherit a communications crisis."

Referring to test of the DTV switchover conducted two weeks ago, Inouye wasn't encouraged. "As the recent test in Wilmington, North Carolina, demonstrated, even with a Herculean investment of time and resources that will be impossible to replicate throughout the rest of the country, consumers made thousands of phone calls seeking help with various aspects of the transition. On a national level, this may translate to millions of calls. Unless more is done, February 17, and 18, and 19, will be very long days indeed."

FCC Chairman Dennis Martin, conversely, found some encouraging signs in the recent Wilmington test but agreed with Inouye that additional funding for education about the transition was still needed, calling for another $20 million.
Martin statement to Committee:
»hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/a···89A1.pdf

Summary of calls by type of problem in the Wilmington test:
FCC_WILM_TEST.PDF 27763 bytes


FCC report on DTV conversion:
»hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/a···89A2.pdf

The FCC report lays out lots of details on how many stations are yet to declare readiness and on the subject of analog vs digital coverage.

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I don't know which is worse in rural areas...the fact that the phone lines are and have always been for shit, or, the fact that you can't even use good ol' rabbit ears to pick up any TV signals anymore.


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 Wilmington Relatively Flat Too

The Wilmington area is relatively flat too, as it's a coastal city. So if they are experiencing issues, throw in a few hills and/or mountains and you may have a bigger problem.
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said by SilverSurfer See Profile :

I don't know which is worse in rural areas...the fact that the phone lines are and have always been for shit, or, the fact that you can't even use good ol' rabbit ears to pick up any TV signals anymore.
Why can't you use rabbit ears? I can pick up digital stations using a wire coat hanger with no degradation in quality. It's digital, so you either get it or you don't. It's not like the analog signals that would vary in quality depending on the strength. Rabbit ears will work just fine.


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said by jmn1207 See Profile :

said by SilverSurfer See Profile :

I don't know which is worse in rural areas...the fact that the phone lines are and have always been for shit, or, the fact that you can't even use good ol' rabbit ears to pick up any TV signals anymore.
Why can't you use rabbit ears? I can pick up digital stations using a wire coat hanger with no degradation in quality. It's digital, so you either get it or you don't. It's not like the analog signals that would vary in quality depending on the strength. Rabbit ears will work just fine.
The issue is that the digital signal has a sharp cutoff where you either get the signal or not. The analog signal would degrade over distance but still provide a viewable channel, even if the quality sucked.

This map of the coverage in the Wilmington test shows how the analog transmission had a farther reach. The digital coverage was helped by overlapping digital signals from nearby affiliate stations on the same network. But the area in orange basically lost all NBC coverage in the switch.
»hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/a···89A4.pdf



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hot rural chicks trying to put in some over time, I bet we can solve this problem real fast. lol


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Re: Rural General Suckitude

This days everyone has digital cable or satellite anyway.


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said by Oleg See Profile :

This days everyone has digital cable or satellite anyway.
No, 12% do not, according to what is being reported.


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Get the same idiots that are pushing for a $700+ billion dollar bailout to include DISH or DirecTV accounts for all those poor, left-out rural residents.


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And here I thought the FCC had conducted tests to ensure that the coverage would not be diminished when the switch to digital was made.

I wonder how this will impact satellite TV and local channel distribution. In areas where local networks were not included with DirectTV or Dish, you had to live outside the range of the local analog signal's reach to be eligible to get generic network broadcasts piped to your satellite receiver. I suppose the distance requirements will have to be adjusted accordingly.

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Re: Wilmington Relatively Flat Too

said by Matt See Profile :

The Wilmington area is relatively flat too, as it's a coastal city. So if they are experiencing issues, throw in a few hills and/or mountains and you may have a bigger problem.
IMO you bring up a good point.

We live north of Seattle with a few ridge lines between us and the broadcast antennas. When we hooked up our digital OTA box to our TV a couple of stations we got on analog didn't appear on digital. Sure enough, the signal strength wasn't high enough for the converter box to send a signal to the TV.

Wayne


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And here I thought the FCC had conducted tests to ensure that the coverage would not be diminished when the switch to digital was made.
And I wouldn't be surprised if the FCC also allowed adjustments in transmitted power so that the digital stations get a further reach(similar to the analog coverage) in order to cover areas like those on the map in orange.
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11 to .. ?

So the current number of channels (OTA) I receive (11) is going to drop to what... 3? It sucks being in rural America. This has no huge effect on me, as I do no watch TV. But I know many in my area with antennas only... and they will definitely lose out.

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 Great, yet another thing to give me problems

I live in the 'dead zone' between Milwaukee and Chicago. While I do have cable, I have a TV antenna on a rotateable pole to use when the cable goes out. All my TVs have digital tuners, but even with my big gun antenna, reception sucks on certain channels. If Digital TVs range is less, then I may not get anything at all when the conversion strikes.

I guess then my wife will get her wish and the antenna will come down off the roof.

The antenna: »products.howstuffworks.com/terk-···view.htm


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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

said by jmn1207 See Profile :

And here I thought the FCC had conducted tests to ensure that the coverage would not be diminished when the switch to digital was made.
And I wouldn't be surprised if the FCC also allowed adjustments in transmitted power so that the digital stations get a further reach(similar to the analog coverage) in order to cover areas like those on the map in orange.
Hopefully there won't be any situations that might cause one signal to bleed over the top of another. If that is even possible with this type of signal. I know with my radio stations I can make a mix of Mexican Radio meets Contemporary Jazz. This occurs late in the evening and I call this music style, Contexican Jazzio.


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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

And I wouldn't be surprised if the FCC also allowed adjustments in transmitted power so that the digital stations get a further reach(similar to the analog coverage) in order to cover areas like those on the map in orange.
If I recall correctly, many stations whose frequency lies within the VHF range will actually be broadcasting with less power to prevent interference with FM stations. Plus they don't pass through physical objects (walls for example) as well as UHF frequencies.

Many of those stations are currently broadcasting in the UHF frequency range, but will switch to VHF after Feb 17, 2009.

For example Philadelphia's KWY-DT (CBS) is currently broadcasting on a UHF frequency (don't have it in front of me at the moment), but will switch to channel 3 after the switchover. That means people who can receive the channel now, might not be able to get it after the transition.

See »www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthre···t=823166


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Re: Great, yet another thing to give me problems

said by Warmachine99 See Profile :

I live in the 'dead zone' between Milwaukee and Chicago. While I do have cable, I have a TV antenna on a rotateable pole to use when the cable goes out. All my TVs have digital tuners, but even with my big gun antenna, reception sucks on certain channels. If Digital TVs range is less, then I may not get anything at all when the conversion strikes.

I guess then my wife will get her wish and the antenna will come down off the roof.

The antenna: »products.howstuffworks.com/terk-···view.htm
Ok Chicago and Milwaukee are 90 miles apart so yo can't anymore than 45 miles from either. Any rooftop antenna should work for those distnaces easy. Now come on. I lived in Lake county IL for over 13 years I have family that still lives there so I know the region.


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reply to Warmachine99
I know what you mean about the dead zone. I was just up in your area shopping at the Outlet Malls. I couldn't even tune in any radio stations (except 96.9 The Drive which broadcasts from Zion) on the radio's on sale at the Sony store. Milwaukee is quite a way's and so is Chicago. I'm guessing 45 to 50 miles north to Milwaukee and 50 the other way to Chicago.
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