ninjatutle
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join:2006-01-02
San Ramon, CA | Piracy will kill the internet
as we know it... |
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texans20
Weapons of Masturbation
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join:2002-09-28
Texas!
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| I'm not scared
I've been downloading stuff online for well over 10 years. It's just as easy now if not easier to get what I want when I want today as it was when this whole thing got started. I suspect it'll be just as easy for the next ten years.
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pspcrazy
Anime Freak
join:2008-02-06
San Diego, CA
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| hehe if it will kill the internet as we know it then so be it. That would be considered progress you know  I'd rather have 10 years of unhindered internet free from fear of being sued/jailed due to my 10 year old son downloading a movie when i'm not watching then 100 years of crippled internet with fear written on it. |
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ISurfTooMuch
join:2007-04-23
Tuscaloosa, AL
| Unworkable
Filtering content is completely unworkable. People are already using encrypted VPN's to access corporate networks. What makes anyone think they won't be used to access pirated content if some ISP decides to try to filter it?
In fact, maybe all traffic needs to be encrypted. I don't support piracy, but I don't see any legitimate reason my ISP should be filtering my traffic in this way. And who's going to be responsible when such a system hits on false positives and blocks legitimate content? I can just hear the ISP's now. "We're really sorry about that, but you have to understand that nothing is perfect, and you're going to have to accept some inconvenience so that pirated content doesn't get through. And besides, what the entertainment industry wants is far more important to us that what you want...I mean, what the entertainment industry wants is for all users to have a safe and controlled...um, I mean secure Internet experience." |
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DaMaGeINC
The Lan Man
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join:2002-06-08
Greenville, SC
clubs: | So now we have to worry about legit companys..
Sending out virus's and spam. WOW |
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osubuck
@rr.com
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ztmike 
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Re: Piracy will kill the internet
No it wont, it will make the internet thrive on what it was originally founded for, sharing information. Its about time the companies and corporations that have been gouging people for money when its so easy to make a VIRTUAL copy of something. Nothing is being stolen, the original is still there, its all nonsense. IF anything happens out of this it will be free open source software thriving which needs to happen anyway. This is all a scam so ISP's can make a bigger profit while providing less service. I thought this was all pretty obvious, its no wonder why our economy is in such a condition is it now, everyone is so gullible and thinks whatever a corporation says is the TRUTH. The only truth is, everyone is in it for themselves and what lines their pockets the best, not about the consumer. |
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ninjatutle
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join:2006-01-02
San Ramon, CA | I'd rather have piracy filters in place rather than capage.
The P2P thieves can't handle the truth. |
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IndyDoug
join:2003-10-26
Indianapolis, IN | The ISPs Agenda
The major ISPs, in partnership with the Federal government, will water down and filter the Internet so much that it won't be worth the $81/month for a subscription. Grab all the music and porn now while you can. |
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TheMG
join:2007-09-04
Edmonton, AB
·TELUS
2 edits | They can't stop encryption.
Heck, even if they can break the current means of encryption in P2P, then the P2P community will only use algorithms that are more and more difficult to crack.
Filters don't work (on anyone knowledgeable enough to get around them).
Give me TV shows that I don't have to buy at ridiculous prices and ages after they air, and that are not festering with advertisements, then MAYBE I'll consider not "pirating" shows. |
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dsfdd
@chevrontexaco.com
| Way to go Verizon
Its funny how all the ISP's who are persuing to milk every last bit out of copper are the ones that are lobbying for p2p ban in conjunction with the film industry.
Verizon though knows, if somehow this lobby group gets its way and filters out all p2p traffic it wouldnt make sense anymore to deploy FIOS or provide fast speeds which they have an advantage at..
Free the Internet! Share as much information/data as possible because thats how it was intended to be. |
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ztmike
Mark for moderation
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join:2001-08-02
Michigan City, IN
 ·Comcast
| reply to osubuck
Re: Piracy will kill the internet
said by osubuck :
No it wont, it will make the internet thrive on what it was originally founded for, sharing information. Its about time the companies and corporations that have been gouging people for money when its so easy to make a VIRTUAL copy of something. Nothing is being stolen, the original is still there, its all nonsense. IF anything happens out of this it will be free open source software thriving which needs to happen anyway. This is all a scam so ISP's can make a bigger profit while providing less service. I thought this was all pretty obvious, its no wonder why our economy is in such a condition is it now, everyone is so gullible and thinks whatever a corporation says is the TRUTH. The only truth is, everyone is in it for themselves and what lines their pockets the best, not about the consumer.
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fghg
@chevrontexaco.com | reply to pspcrazy
Re: I'm not scared
Look out the window, the sky is falling! Run to your bomb shelter, you better stock up on 5 years worth of supplies. You never know when it will end.. |
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Ian
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join:2002-06-18
ON
·Bell Sympatico
| reply to ninjatutle
Re: Piracy will kill the internet
said by ninjatutle :I'd rather have piracy filters in place rather than capage. The P2P thieves can't handle the truth. This has little to do with piracy and all to do with a stranglehold on commerce. Their press release is missing some text.
"...also aims to ensure that artists, creators and innovators can safely share their works through new online distribution channels that we, and only we control and profit from, with confidence that their right to earn fair compensation for their creativity is respected."
"Co-chair Mike McCurry emphasized that consumers are the biggest beneficiaries in the Arts+Labs' vision. He then could no longer hold his composure and burst out laughing."
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chRoniX10
Peace sells, but who's buying?
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join:2004-05-22
Tarzana, CA | reply to ninjatutle
Long live P2P...
This group wont do squat to curb p2p, just another big waste of money. No anti-piracy organization will be able to stop the growth of P2P which is the millions if not more...
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amungus
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join:2004-11-26
America
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| reply to ISurfTooMuch
Re: Unworkable
I wouldn't say completely unworkable, but you bring up interesting points.
The "oops, we blocked you and reported you to our corporate overlords, the FBI, and um, sorry we thought you were a filthy pirate" excuse seems destined to become more common.
This will no doubt ruin the lives of some innocent people.
Even worse than the lawsuits currently happening I'm sure.
Sadly, apologists fail to see what's wrong with that. The whole "I ain't got nuthin' to hide" crowd will probably be herded along with minimal fuss.
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karlmarx
join:2006-09-18
iraq
·Fairpoint Communic..
| I failt to see how it's 'piracy'
The shows are distributed OVER THE AIR FOR FREE! So what if I download an NBC show from a torrent site. It' not like they charged for it in the first place?
Let's be honest though. I haven't watched 'live' TV in YEARS. I had one of the first Tivo's and Replay TV (still have it), and I've never watched a commercial since then.
The ONLY commercials I've ever seen are when I'm watching football, and I always mute the TV anyway when a commercial comes on. In any case, downloading a TV show that was broadcast for FREE cannot be considered piracy, because, quite simply, they GAVE IT AWAY for free in the first place.
P2P will never go away. If the need arises, just download the TV shows in RAR format, so whatever 'filters' they use, just won't be able to catch it.
I have zero moral qualms about downloading all my TV shows, and I have a lot of them. Who are they to say what I can and cannot record (see: MS Media Center not allowing you to record TV shows). If it's broadcast, I'll get it, one way or another.
Hell, if they provided HIGH QUALITY rips of their tv shows with commercials from their web site, sure I'd download it from them. Of couse, I'd run it through a pre-processor to strip out all the commercials. I've got TONS of old tv shows, in near DVD quality (close enough), of OTA broadcasts saved on my server. Why in the world would they expect me to buy a copy of LOST on DVD, when I already RECORDED it and SAVED it?
As one of the other posters said, this is all about CONTROL. Control of what you watch. Control of making you pay again if you want to watch it again. Control of what devices you can watch it on, when and where you can watch it.
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StickyFingers
@comcast.net
| reply to osubuck
Re: Piracy will kill the internet
said by osubuck :
No it wont, it will make the internet thrive on what it was originally founded for, sharing information. Its about time the companies and corporations that have been gouging people for money when its so easy to make a VIRTUAL copy of something. <sarcasm>
Yah, exactly!
Artists and software programmers don't deserve to be compensated for their work. I say copy/distribute their work and starve 'em to death!</sarcasm> |
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Dogfather
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join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | Will NEVER work and why is simple
Pirates will ALWAYS be able to circumvent the technology and the technology always creates headaches and restrictions for legit users. |
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Doctor Four
My other vehicle is a TARDIS
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join:2000-09-05
Dallas, TX
 ·AT&T U-Verse
| reply to chRoniX10
Re: Piracy will kill the internet
ninjatutle is a well known anti-piracy/p2p troll around here. It has already been demonstrated time after time that it is impossible to stop p2p in any way, shape, or form. Yet the MAFIAA which he and others of his ilk seem to support keep spending millions of dollars on so-called "technology" like Audible Magic's Copy Sense, only to have them fail epically and utterly.
Filters will not stop copyright infringement online, nor can they differentiate between "legal" and "pirated" content, no matter what anyone may say to the contrary.
And losses to the industry from p2p are a drop in the bucket compared to those from bootlegging, which is far more common.
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underdog58
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join:2006-06-25
Philadelphia, PA
|  WTF!
WHEN are these dumb greedy a$$holes are going to give it UP!!! and leave it be out of the whole world about 2% of people are downloading piracy shit that is a very very small %. I can't see if no one was not buying a damn thing at and all these a$$holes had to close their doors tomorrow then you can blame the people for downloading. But as always these super a$$holes that run American got the have every penny cause GOD FOR BID they can paid for gas for their planes or pay off the seven houses they own and the seven cars to go along with them as always instead of trying to make technology better and grow that side of the business they would spent millions if not billions dollars to put in limitation or caps or filter's or whatever bullshit they come up with. I wish they would stop just embrace it there is no way to stop there will ALWAYS BE ANOTHER WAY PLAIN AND SIMPLE. As always screw what the customer wants all we is a solution to all of this instead you get bullshit in return  |
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