  TKJunkMail Enjoy the sun Premium join:2002-03-03 Avalon, NJ
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»www.t-mobileg1.com/g1-learn-feat···ils.aspx
Their OLD small print:
Data: If your total data usage in any billing cycle is more than 1GB, your data throughput for the remainder of that cycle may be reduced to 50 kbps or less. Your data session, plan, or service may be suspended, terminated, or restricted for significant roaming or if you use your service in a way that interferes with our network or ability to provide quality service to other users. Their NEW small print:
To provide the best network experience for all of our customers we may temporarily reduce data throughput for a small fraction of customers who use a disproportionate amount of bandwidth. Your data session, plan, or service may be suspended, terminated, or restricted for significant roaming or if you use your service in a way that interferes with our network or ability to provide quality service to other users.
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  John Keels
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| Unlike the WIRED internet providers who do not generally have valid excuses for not having enough bandwidth I can see where the wireless providers have to watch bandwidth more carefully. EVDO/HSDPA etc are much more bandwidth limited in the sense that they cannot support massive bandwidth for 100's of users at a time. Also, especially in rural areas that have these services it is not unheard of for a tower to be connected through one or TWO T1's which really doesn't provide massive bandwidth for users. I suppose that in cities the tower backhaul is more likely fiber or OC3, ATM, etc that has more bandwidth. Even then the limitations of wireless mean that they cannot always provide endless bandwidth to users.
For wired services I'd argue that its a bunch of B&*&S&*& when comcast and others argue that they don't have enough bandwidth for everyone though. AT&T, Charter, TW, etc same thing. |
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  BF69
join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN
| said by John Keels :
Unlike the WIRED internet providers who do not generally have valid excuses for not having enough bandwidth I can see where the wireless providers have to watch bandwidth more carefully. EVDO/HSDPA etc are much more bandwidth limited in the sense that they cannot support massive bandwidth for 100's of users at a time. Also, especially in rural areas that have these services it is not unheard of for a tower to be connected through one or TWO T1's which really doesn't provide massive bandwidth for users. I suppose that in cities the tower backhaul is more likely fiber or OC3, ATM, etc that has more bandwidth. Even then the limitations of wireless mean that they cannot always provide endless bandwidth to users.
For wired services I'd argue that its a bunch of B&*&S&*& when comcast and others argue that they don't have enough bandwidth for everyone though. AT&T, Charter, TW, etc same thing. 1 GB is still a joke. So is the 5 GB cap everyone has especially for $60 a month. Not to mention $256 per GB overage Verizon charges. |
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| Not perfect but it seems our fire reached someone's @ss @TMO
Now this is the kind of corporate behavior I would expect at least - even though you tried to pull some trick (they always try) at least have the decency and pedal back when you get caught. Again, far from perfect - stop calling it unlimited when it clearly isn't etc - but better than before. -- [BQUOTE=[user=bicker]]Waaaa waaaa waaaa. You just want what you want and don't care to factor in what is right or true. Your perspectives are un-American, and deserve far more ridicule than I'm prepared to pile on them. [/BQUOTE] |
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  avd706 insert annoying animated gif here Premium join:2003-02-06 Union, NJ | looks like
Looks like the folks at Google read BBR. |
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  tiger72 SexaT duorP Premium join:2001-03-28 Saint Louis, MO clubs:
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| reply to BF69 Re: Old vs New small print
said by BF69 :said by John Keels :
Unlike the WIRED internet providers who do not generally have valid excuses for not having enough bandwidth I can see where the wireless providers have to watch bandwidth more carefully. EVDO/HSDPA etc are much more bandwidth limited in the sense that they cannot support massive bandwidth for 100's of users at a time. Also, especially in rural areas that have these services it is not unheard of for a tower to be connected through one or TWO T1's which really doesn't provide massive bandwidth for users. I suppose that in cities the tower backhaul is more likely fiber or OC3, ATM, etc that has more bandwidth. Even then the limitations of wireless mean that they cannot always provide endless bandwidth to users.
For wired services I'd argue that its a bunch of B&*&S&*& when comcast and others argue that they don't have enough bandwidth for everyone though. AT&T, Charter, TW, etc same thing. 1 GB is still a joke. So is the 5 GB cap everyone has especially for $60 a month. Not to mention $256 per GB overage Verizon charges. I agree with you both. While wireless providers have a far better argument for bandwidth management techniques, 5GB or less is atrocious. I'm glad to see T-Mobile is responsive to the market - unlike VZW, ATT, and Sprint... -- "What makes us omniscient? Have we a record of omniscience? ...If we can't persuade nations with comparable values of the merit of our cause, we'd better reexamine our reasoning." -United States Secretary of Defense (1961-1968) Robert S. McNamara |
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  schja01 I need to get a life. Premium,MVM join:2000-04-27 Morton Grove, IL clubs:  
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| said by tiger72 :I agree with you both. While wireless providers have a far better argument for bandwidth management techniques, 5GB or less is atrocious. I'm glad to see T-Mobile is responsive to the market - unlike VZW, ATT, and Sprint... Actaually Sprint doesn't cap it's 3G Phones. Only Data Cards and the optional "Phone as a Modem" Plan. My $15/mo Data Plan shows "Unlimited". |
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  tiger72 SexaT duorP Premium join:2001-03-28 Saint Louis, MO clubs: | reply to avd706 Re: looks like
not Google. T-mobile... |
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  BF69
join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN
| reply to schja01 Re: Old vs New small print
said by schja01 :said by tiger72 :I agree with you both. While wireless providers have a far better argument for bandwidth management techniques, 5GB or less is atrocious. I'm glad to see T-Mobile is responsive to the market - unlike VZW, ATT, and Sprint... Actaually Sprint doesn't cap it's 3G Phones. Only Data Cards and the optional "Phone as a Modem" Plan. My $15/mo Data Plan shows "Unlimited". That's actually useless. The only reason people like my friend that lives a few miles out of town would want to use a mobile company for interent is to use it on a computer. In which case there is a cap. One isn't likely to go over 5 GB surfing the web on a cell phone anyways. |
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  schja01 I need to get a life. Premium,MVM join:2000-04-27 Morton Grove, IL clubs:  
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| said by BF69 :said by schja01 :said by tiger72 :I agree with you both. While wireless providers have a far better argument for bandwidth management techniques, 5GB or less is atrocious. I'm glad to see T-Mobile is responsive to the market - unlike VZW, ATT, and Sprint... Actaually Sprint doesn't cap it's 3G Phones. Only Data Cards and the optional "Phone as a Modem" Plan. My $15/mo Data Plan shows "Unlimited". That's actually useless. The only reason people like my friend that lives a few miles out of town would want to use a mobile company for interent is to use it on a computer. In which case there is a cap. One isn't likely to go over 5 GB surfing the web on a cell phone anyways. But since this discussion pertains to the Android phone and not a computer you are mixing apples and oranges. Other carriers limit Data on 3G phones but not Sprint which was the point of my original reply. |
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| reply to kamm Re: Not perfect but it seems our fire reached someone's @ss @TMO
said by kamm :Now this is the kind of corporate behavior I would expect at least - even though you tried to pull some trick (they always try) at least have the decency and pedal back when you get caught. Again, far from perfect - stop calling it unlimited when it clearly isn't etc - but better than before. You realize they didn't change anything at all...right? Just dropped a static number that people can point to. In fact, this type of ambiguity is actually worse than stating what the cap is. |
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| reply to BF69 Re: Old vs New small print
said by BF69 :1 GB is still a joke. So is the 5 GB cap everyone has especially for $60 a month. Not to mention $256 per GB overage Verizon charges. While 1GB is a low number to start at, T-Mobile has it right in this case.
The other carriers just charge you exorbitant overage fees. T-Mobile seems to want to throttle your speed. That seems perfectly reasonable to me. -- It's wierdo, not weirdo. Yes, I know that's not the 'proper' spelling of the similar english language word.  |
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2 edits | What time is it?
 What time is it? |
Is it me, or do the two clocks totally disagree? Not even half-hour time zones like Afghanistan would account for 2:47 and 3:11 being displayed at the same time.
Of course if you transpose the minute hand and the second hand, things fall into line. |
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| reply to ReVeLaTeD Re: Not perfect but it seems our fire reached someone's @ss @TMO
said by ReVeLaTeD :You realize they didn't change anything at all...right? Just dropped a static number that people can point to. In fact, this type of ambiguity is actually worse than stating what the cap is. No matter what reasonable number they come with it, there will be unhappy people out there. This language is merely meant to control the subscriber who mods the phone and uses it as a modem. You know this hack will appear soon enough.
I highly doubt that normal use of 3G apps on the phone will raise any eyebrows over at T-Mobile. And besides, T-Mobile's primary responsibility is to maintain a network that can process voice calls. That takes priority over data, and they should be commended on that. -- "Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them." -- George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four.
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  uroberto
join:2001-05-01 Piscataway, NJ | reply to wierdo Re: Old vs New small print
Verizon wireless has overage fees. at&t and Sprint don't. |
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| reply to John Keels It seems most of the towers I connect to are backhauled by a T1 or two. Only in big cities do towers have fiber running to them (probably a 10 or 20 Mbps link at the moment). However, so far the T-Mobile network seems to be holding up in the few places they're deploying it (presumably where they can get fiber to the tower for relatively cheap). As such, a 1GB on mobile internet usage isn't good. 3GB, okay, but not 1GB. |
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join:2007-02-19 Golden, CO | reply to BF69 So basically cell phone companies don't want to get into the fixed residential broadband market. Lame, yse. Uncalled-for, no. |
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| not everybody can be happy
even if they made it totally unlimited and you could download eighteen million gb per sec if you wanted to(assuming it was possible) people would then start complaining that their kids never do anything but download with that damn phone -- I have had Direcway/Hughes for years. I've had trouble with them some until the latest system DW7000. It is blazing fast 1 to 1.5 kbps down most of the time- Kath159 |
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| reply to MIXZ1 Re: What time is it?
said by MIXZ1 :Is it me, or do the two clocks totally disagree? Not even half-hour time zones like Afghanistan would account for 2:47 and 3:11 being displayed at the same time. Of course if you transpose the minute hand and the second hand, things fall into line. Perhaps the analog clock was designed at the same factory that made the Pet food and now the infant formula in China?? |
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join:2006-04-24 Fort Lauderdale, FL | The screen is ....
Crooked o_0
Might get annoying after a while |
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