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Comments on news posted 2008-09-27 12:08:05: Statistics released from ABI Research and Gartner indicate that there has been a boom in both the viewing of browser-based broadband video content and in subscriptions to IPTV services. ..

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 Clarification on what Gartner calls IPTV

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Gartner defines IPTV as a managed broadband network which delivers high picture-quality television and video content to a user's TV set via a set-top box. Content delivered over the Internet or only to a computer is not included.
Gartner has narrowly defined what they mean by IPTV - only shows delivered to STBs attached to a TV.
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Where Can I get IPTV?

I have a 15mbs internet connection. Where can I get a set top box to watch IPTV on my television? Watching video on my computer doesn't count as IPTV to me.


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said by brainlessdog See Profile :

I have a 15mbs internet connection. Where can I get a set top box to watch IPTV on my television? Watching video on my computer doesn't count as IPTV to me.
There is Apple TV; Tivo; Roku from Netflix; Vudu; etc.

I have a friend that has both a late model Tivo and the Roku and he gets a lot of TV shows & movies direct to those 2 STBs attached directly to different TVs.

All offer a lot of video - movies & TV shows direct to their STB. But none of them are what I would call a straight IPTV replacement for a std type cable TV pkg except for a deal between AT&T & Microsoft in selected locations. Overseas there is much more IPTV than in the US.

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPTV
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Here are two:

»store.apple.com/us/browse/home/s···=MTE2NTk

»www.amazon.com/gp/video/ontv/tiv···faq_tivo

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Thank you both for your input. What I am really looking for is a replacement for Comcast. Since Verizon sold me, I have an excellent connection, but no TV. It would be great if someone could provide their own channel lineups and everything like cable, only over my internet connection


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said by brainlessdog See Profile :

Thank you both for your input. What I am really looking for is a replacement for Comcast. Since Verizon sold me, I have an excellent connection, but no TV. It would be great if someone could provide their own channel lineups and everything like cable, only over my internet connection
Fairpoints plans for IPTV look pretty weak:
»www.telecoms-mag.com/NewsGlobe/a···=AR_4482
But don't expect FairPoint to fight cable with a me-too IPTV service. While Johnson would not divulge any specific details about his IPTV plans outside of saying that he’s trialing next-gen IPTV, he thinks it will have to offer something better than cable.

"We actually think we don’t want to do what [the cable company] does,” he said. “We think you have to differentiate yourself, and it’s a huge mistake to chase the cable guys and build a 400-channel system; we have to find a smarter way to offer video.”

Whether or not FairPoint uses IPTV or higher data speeds as its weapons, it’s clear that cable has become a strident threat to FairPoint and its telco brethren.

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This one has live TV channels like cable. They need to add more channels but at least it is a start. »www.skyangel.com

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I've got DirecTV DVR's and download a bunch of stuff over Internet to watch on my TV sets. It looks like Comcast implemented their caps just in time.

Legal video over Internet is going to crunch some ISP's, will Comcast's neighborhood of 100 homes sharing a 30-40mb download pipe really be viable if 5-10% of those homes are downloading video content?
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said by pandora See Profile :

I've got DirecTV DVR's and download a bunch of stuff over Internet to watch on my TV sets. It looks like Comcast implemented their caps just in time.

Legal video over Internet is going to crunch some ISP's, will Comcast's neighborhood of 100 homes sharing a 30-40mb download pipe really be viable if 5-10% of those homes are downloading video content?
No. Hence the justifiable use of a cap or the eventual switch to bill-by-byte.
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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

No. Hence the justifiable use of a cap or the eventual switch to bill-by-byte.
I'm waiting to see if Comcast basic speeds increase by early next year. If they go up to 8 down and 1 or 2 up, I may be ready to sign up for the business starter as it'd cost about what I'm paying now. It'd get me away from caps. Though I'm not certain if I'd avoid being throttled.
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Re: Where Can I get IPTV?

Your kidding right? Faith based IPTV? I will have to pray that my internet connection doesn't go down.


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said by pandora See Profile :

I've got DirecTV DVR's and download a bunch of stuff over Internet to watch on my TV sets. It looks like Comcast implemented their caps just in time.

Legal video over Internet is going to crunch some ISP's, will Comcast's neighborhood of 100 homes sharing a 30-40mb download pipe really be viable if 5-10% of those homes are downloading video content?
No. Hence the justifiable use of a cap or the eventual switch to bill-by-byte.
Or upgrade -- fast!

TK, you don't seem to remember your history.

The move toward video on the net is not much different than what happened when the network added images -- when web surfing replaced text-based surfing based on Gopher.

Images on the web dragged the net to a crawl!

In 1995, fully 90% of web users told Georgia Tech's Graphic, Visualization, & Usability Center that speed was their number one issue. By 1996, that had dropped to 76%, and by 1997 it was 66%. Why? Because technology improved.

We are in the middle of a demand spurt, and what should follow ought to be a growth spurt. We've been here before. Companies that spend their money to meet it are going to win. Companies that make futile attempts to stop it are just fighting progress.

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Re: Where Can I get IPTV?

You don't have to get the Faith package. They have a family package with the following:

Animal Planet
Blue Highways TV
CBS College Sports
Discovery Channel
Discovery Kids
Fox Business Network
Fox News Channel
Hallmark Channel
Hallmark Movie Channel
ION Life
Military Channel
NASA TV
NFL Network
Outdoor Channel
Pentagon Channel
Planet Green
qubo Channel
QVC
The Sportsman Channel
Tennis Channel
Visual Arts Network
The Weather Channel

Only legal way I know of to get Fox News without cable or satellite

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Re: Clarification on what Gartner calls IPTV

We are in the middle of a demand spurt, and what should follow ought to be a growth spurt.
Don't you think that's going to take a little more time ?
Every time I catch a glimpse of the news, it's always about how bad the economy is (for where we live). Are people really trying to save money by doing less spending at leisure activities and sitting at home watching more of the boob tube (or monitor) and creating this demand, or is it because of better and higher quality content that's become available ?
With the amount of companies going under every week, do you really think the one that spends their money on upgrade will win ?
On the subject at hand, every digital STB I've played with has an IP, so is this part of the fuss that Gartner defines as IPTV ? If so... old news


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This one has live TV channels like cable. They need to add more channels but at least it is a start. »www.skyangel.com
No BYU TV (which we do get on Directv) Though it looks to be one of those evangelical things, so that doesn't surprise me.


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said by Codacious See Profile :

Are people really trying to save money by doing less spending at leisure activities and sitting at home watching more of the boob tube (or monitor) and creating this demand,
We've had a rash of restaurant closing. The dinner business has really dropped off, people are sitting at home.
said by Codacious See Profile :

or is it because of better and higher quality content that's become available ?
With the amount of companies going under every week, do you really think the one that spends their money on upgrade will win ?
Yes.

The majority of us would rather have root canal than go through the fuss of changing ISPs, but we will do it if the advance is compelling enough.

Few of us stuck with dial-up for more than a few months once given the chance to go to broadband.

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On the subject at hand, every digital STB I've played with has an IP, so is this part of the fuss that Gartner defines as IPTV ?
I doubt it. Mine has an IP, too, but it's never stopped the cable box from being a cable box.
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Re: Where Can I get IPTV?

Get a mac mini and connect it to a 32" or higher LCD TV.

See this dude's setup .... not »www.techavid.com.

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said by funchords See Profile :

The majority of us would rather have root canal than go through the fuss of changing ISPs, but we will do it if the advance is compelling enough.
Usually with that "advance" comes an extra price. With the market the way it is, most co. are worried about downgrades and loosing customers. I can imagine some "advances" are just to good to pass up if the price isn't exsorbant.
said by funchords See Profile :

I doubt it. Mine has an IP, too, but it's never stopped the cable box from being a cable box.
Not following ? The title Statement is "Gartner defines IPTV as a managed broadband network which delivers high picture-quality television and video content to a user's TV set via a set-top box". I wasn't sure if that qualified as IPTV but the last sentence states "Content delivered over the Internet or only to a computer is not included." Since the Standard STB receives its info from a "managed broadband network" and not the internet, why does it not qualify as IPTV ?
It doesn't sound right to me, but I've no experience with IPTV and had always assumed it was digital video thru internet connected to a STB ?


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Okay, I didn't read that before.

Not Internet Protocol networks are part of the Internet. Further, not all IPTV-enabled STBs are strictly doing IPTV (some -- perhaps most still -- do both IP digital and analog).

Since the Standard STB receives its info from a "managed broadband network" and not the internet, why does it not qualify as IPTV ?
It probably would, based on Gartner's definition. That's a goofy definition, since it rules out content delivered over the Internet.

It doesn't sound right to me, but I've no experience with IPTV and had always assumed it was digital video thru internet connected to a STB ?
Many (perhaps most) have digital and analog channels. I think that Comcast finally went all-digital on the STB only in the past 1-2 years (in my area, at least, since I was getting RF ghosting as recently as 2 years ago).
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