bobjohnson
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1 edit |  Why not just as a part of the census?
They could always just add that as a box in the 2010 census... They have been trying to figure it out for years another year and a half won't hurt |
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Duramax08
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San Antonio, TX |  I don't have broadband
Theres one. Anyone else? Might aswell help out the FCC 
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DataDoc
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| said by Duramax08  :Theres one. Anyone else? Might aswell help out the FCC They're not listening. |
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stevephl
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Colorado Springs, CO | Who cares who has broadband, what good will the data do? There are bigger issues to worry about then who does or doesn't have broadband. |
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DataDoc
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Greenville, NC | Can I guess from your response you must already have it? Once we have the data maybe something will be done to get it for more people and businesses.
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great observation....and we should stop the Census Bureau from collecting all of that pesky geo-demographic data as well! |
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SilverSurfer
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Re: Why not just as a part of the census?
said by bobjohnson :They could always just add that as a box in the 2010 census... They have been trying to figure it out for years another year and a half won't hurt No thanks. The census is already a bloated, intrusive joke. Did you take a good look at the last one--since when does income, job occupation and all the other irrelevant questions that were asked qualify as a census? Last time I checked the Constitution, a "census" measured one thing: head count. Leave me alone. Measure BB penetration the old fashioned way. Use some of the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ that has already been pissed away on other "studies." |
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The Senate passed this, but it is not passed in the House. It is assigned to a House committee and may not be passed before this session of Congress ends.
5/24/2007 Introduced in Senate
10/24/2007 Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation. Reported by Senator Inouye with an amendment in the nature of a substitute.
9/26/2008 Passed/agreed to in Senate: Passed Senate with an amendment by Unanimous Consent.
9/27/2008 Referred to House committee: Referred to the House Committee on Energy and Commerce.
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Re: I don't have broadband
I agree that there are many larger problems than broadband availability, but just because there are bigger problems, doesnt mean we should ignore the small ones.
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Why is Congress bothering with this information?
Anyone who wants to find out if broadband is available at a given address can consult the various ISPs and find out for themselves.
Is Congress doing anything actually useful? Perhaps they should just take the next year off.
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bcoleman71
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Re: I don't have broadband
I for one care! One thing having accurate broadband penetration data will do is block an avenue of lies that the major broadband providers and their lobbyists try to sell to congress and everybody else about how much competition there is out there! Hopefully it will remove the avenue of lies they are telling about the "looming broadband apocalypse" and how we are "running out of bandwidth" as well. I hate to say this but this country is full of people who believe anything they hear on the news. They lack the ability to think critically about the information they are being sold on some of these so called "news shows".
Also, just because there is a financial meltdown in progress in this country does not mean we should take our eyes off of the broadband ball. If we let ourselves fall further behind the rest of the world, our ability to compete on a global scale will be hurt a lot worse than it is now. The lies that the major broadband providers and their lobbyists have been selling and spinning (and quite successfully I might add!) will eventually lead to the countries that get it right being the ones who will shape the future of the internet. Is that what you want to happen? You want to see us lose our competitive edge? This nation has always been on the forefront of innovation and unless we get these companies to start acting more in the interests of the general public that they serve, we will continue to lose our competitive edge to other nations and with that, the potential for new jobs that are created from the innovation will go with it will be lost (or severely reduced) as well! |
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Ahrenl
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North Andover, MA | reply to Boogeyman
No we should ignore small problems until they become large problems, then start working on them when its too late. |
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Re: Why not just as a part of the census?
said by SilverSurfer :No thanks. The census is already a bloated, intrusive joke. Did you take a good look at the last one--since when does income, job occupation and all the other irrelevant questions that were asked qualify as a census? Since it is useful to know that information. Where do you think information like median income or level of education come from, thin air? You might believe that data to be irrelevant, but contrary to what you believe, it is very important.
And last I checked, those question about income and education are completely voluntary.
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Re: Just Close Congress
said by pnh102 :Why is Congress bothering with this information? Anyone who wants to find out if broadband is available at a given address can consult the various ISPs and find out for themselves. Is Congress doing anything actually useful? Perhaps they should just take the next year off. The ISPs won't release the information. My guess is because even they don't know for the most part until a truck is rolled.
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bcoleman71
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Like I stated above, making the information public will keep the ISPs and their lobbyists from lying about how well connected we, as consumers, already are and how much competition there is for us (the consumer). With that information being readily available, we (the consumer) and they (congress) will know for sure where and how much competition there is and who has access and who doesn't have access. After all, this is (supposedly) a government of, by, and for the people - not the lobbyists and their clients! It seems a lot of people have lost sight of that fact. |
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Re: Why not just as a part of the census?
said by bobjohnson :They could always just add that as a box in the 2010 census... They have been trying to figure it out for years another year and a half won't hurt I would worry a little about overloading the census, but I like this idea very much.
It serves a couple of purposes in a very even-handed way. For example, how many residences have access to broadband vs. how many individuals do. Families and roommate situations tend to skew the numbers this way and that.
Good idea, Bob!
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1 edit | reply to stevephl
Re: I don't have broadband
said by stevephl :Who cares who has broadband, what good will the data do? There are bigger issues to worry about then who does or doesn't have broadband. Congress ordered the FCC to care, in the 1996 Telecomm Act. If you don't think this should be U.S. policy, write yout Congresspeople. |
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bobjohnson
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Re: Why not just as a part of the census?
said by funchords :said by bobjohnson :They could always just add that as a box in the 2010 census... They have been trying to figure it out for years another year and a half won't hurt I would worry a little about overloading the census, but I like this idea very much. It serves a couple of purposes in a very even-handed way. For example, how many residences have access to broadband vs. how many individuals do. Families and roommate situations tend to skew the numbers this way and that. Good idea, Bob! If the companies aren't cooperating then it's just one more box that narrows it down to at least 95% accuracy (Some people don't know what they have or have access to.) Then send a few foot soldiers on the taxpayers dime instead of the other ideas
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said by NetAdmin :And last I checked, those question about income and education are completely voluntary. Clearly, you didn't read through the legalese thoroughly. No part of the last census was voluntary. Further, all those cute little "thin air" stats you mentioned can be just as easily ascertained via other channels, not the census since same was not ever set up to collect the other data which you seek.
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