Vathral
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clubs: | NO!
Curse you! Don't slow them down :'(
Hope they can keep fixing things fast enough so they don't have to freeze the deployment of fiber. |
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mrchris
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North Babylon, NY | Cheap
If they would stop being so goddamn cheap and not use some two-bit laborer with minimal training to do the installs, maybe the compliance rate would be much higher.
Cheap bastards! |
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cdru
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
1 edit | What about the CableCos and SatCos?
Has the NY PSC checked cable companies and satellite installers as well? I won't argue that the installs should have been done correctly and up to code to begin with. I just seem to get a whiff of something fishy every time this issue surfaces.
I know installs around here by both satellite and cable companies are pretty shoddy when it comes to grounding issues. Neither my parents nor my house had the 4' cable grouding rods bonded to the main service grounding rod. And when I had Dish I had to nerve to inconvenience the sat installer to ground my roof mounted dish. |
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cdru
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Fort Wayne, IN | reply to mrchris
Re: Cheap
I don't know about installs in NY, but here in Indiana when I was installed all the installs were done by VZ employees, not two-bit laborers. |
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pende_tim
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| I smell Cable Co input
I wonder how much of tis trouble is being stirred up for the Cable Companies trying to derail the roll out?
But in any case, if the NEC requires bonding then shame on Verizon. Should be a real easy one to fix: fire the next 10 installers doing it wrong. Word will spread real fast.
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rlocone
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Kokomo, IN
|  Installation ?
Hello All,
Anyone know if you can tell if the installation is installed correctly (Ground/bonded) before the tech leaves? Knowing this stuff in advance will avoid problems later. My Mom is interested in getting FiOS once it comes into B'KLYN.
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Sammer
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Canonsburg, PA | Re: NY PSC Wants FiOS Installation Freeze
Send all those FiOS installers to PA! |
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Pathfinder
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Mount Vernon, NY | reply to mrchris
Re: Cheap
All installs are done by employees of Verizon. No contractors and all union. |
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Tzale
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Sweden
1 edit | reply to cdru
said by cdru  :I don't know about installs in NY, but here in Indiana when I was installed all the installs were done by VZ employees, not two-bit laborers. Yep... Here in Northern New Jersey, everything was done by a knowledgeable VZ employee who knew what he was doing... And everything is grounded correctly as far as I can see.
Getting FIOS was the best decision I ever made in terms of a service in my life.... It just works... I have yet to have any serious problems with it. I can only recall one 10 minute outage at 1 AM for maintenance when they rolled out the new TV GUI. Compared to cable TV / Internet (which was a nightmare), FIOS is simply AWESOME! I used to be down at least 5-10% of the time on cable, and the VOD rarely worked... Despite the cable company being out here numerous times!
-Tzale
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Smith6612
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united state | reply to Vathral
Re: NO!
It probably won't slow them down, but it will at least if the terms allow for is to let Verizon build out their Infrastructure while they check over their installs. |
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brooklynman4
join:2004-09-07
Brooklyn, NY
1 edit | reply to Sammer
Re: NY PSC Wants FiOS Installation Freeze
If it was done by verizon employees then where is the grounding? |
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u3912974
join:2007-07-31
San Francisco, CA | well good
good that they practice in NY before they come to SF to do it right |
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NOCMan
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Flower Mound, TX | reply to Vathral
Re: NO!
Dont worry. The economy will slow them down soon enough. |
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bogey780
join:2004-03-19
Here | reply to cdru
Re: What about the CableCos and SatCos?
Yea... pretty much. For all the horrible ground work done in those photos I've see much the same from MSO's and dish. |
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fiberguy
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Re: I smell Cable Co input
Yea,.. I suppose it's all about the cable company. (Didn't take long)
So, when cable companies get popped for improper grounds, it's "Off with their heads.. how dare they".. and here we are with Verizon and their lovely fiber and "please don't slow them down" and "cable must be behind it"...
Even if cable is stirring it up, which I doubt, rules are rules. They need to apply to both companies equally. If they are not grounding, instead of firing the employees, tell them to read up on ATT Broadband now Comcast and the City of St. Paul, MN.
I just love how people give a pass for pure selfish greed. |
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fiberguy
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Re: well good
said by u3912974 :good that they practice in NY before they come to SF to do it right Um.. where exactly in SF is Verizon with plant? .. or when does Verizon plan on purchasing AT&T/SBC ?  |
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myokitis
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Alexandria, VA | reply to mrchris
Re: Cheap
You have NFC what you're talking about. VZ uses full-time techs for their install work. |
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jaa
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| reply to cdru
Re: What about the CableCos and SatCos?
Most installs tie to an existing ground - they don't put in grounding rods. It would be nice to have all companies checked for code compliance.
I'm wondering what they ground - isn't fios glass?
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pende_tim
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| reply to fiberguy
Re: I smell Cable Co input
Not giving a pass to anyone here. If the rules are that services need to be grounded and bonded, then do it. Just apply equally to all providers.
When the cable installer came to put a new service in my home 2 years ago, he set the splitter box in the basement (I have underground utilities) and only put a ground on it when I questioned him AND gave him the wire. He was not equipped to do this phase of the job.
A few years before that I had a small dish put on the roof. I was not home when he did it, my wife was, guess what.. they drove the rod the next day after I called and "explained" to the supervisor they were responsible for any damage to my house or person as a result of their negligence.
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cdru
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
| reply to jaa
Re: What about the CableCos and SatCos?
said by jaa :Most installs tie to an existing ground - they don't put in grounding rods. It would be nice to have all companies checked for code compliance. It doesn't matter if they are tying into an existing ground rod. If they touch it, it no longer is grandfathered in under an old code that may have allowed it.
I'm wondering what they ground - isn't fios glass? It's been brought up many times in past thread. The ONT is fed via glass fiber, but there is still copper wiring on the inside of the house. The grounding is there just as much for the internal wiring as a safety ground as what it would be had the fiber been copper. |
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