jc100
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1 edit | Well
I mean I'm not one for throttling or capping, but when you are using Cell Tower (Sorry correction) vs traditional broadband, the cost is definitely much higher. I guess there would be ways around the blocking of ports (proxy etc) but truth be told, mobile broadband isn't mean to go p2p galore. I know this is against what everyone else believes here, but I kind of sympathize with sprint on this aspect of things. Leave it unlimited usage, but don't open it to be abused. After all, the price on this service is going to be quite low. |
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beaups
join:2003-08-11
Hilliard, OH | your response is far too logical for this board. everyone should have gigabit connections that they can run at capacity 24/7 sharing all the various "linux distros" and "legal, independent movies". and it should be free, and without a contract. |
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fiberguy
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1 edit | Don't like it....?
.... don't buy it! Plain and simple.
Stop feeling entitled. There are other ISPs and plenty of competition to warrant Sprint's desires. It's new, it's wireless, and I think they're smart to do so.
Why is it that every single connection out there, people feel the need to jam and clog it full of so much un-necessary crap anyway?
People, mainly Americans, do NOT know the meaning of restraint, moderation, and not consuming everything in site like locust. |
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Re: Well
said by jc100  :but truth be told, mobile broadband isn't mean to go p2p galore. Then call it "Mobile CompuServe" or something. It certainly isn't Internet access.
Mobile broadband might actually be better than cable is for P2P, given the more symmetric nature of wireless signals. We really don't know, since none of the wireless ISPs permit it.
But here's the thing -- the Internet is a multi-purpose network. If there is a technical reason for some of these restrictions, then make the technical limit and let __me__ decide how I want to spend it! I should be able to use P2P if 1. I don't unduly impact anyone else and 2. I stay within the technical limits (speeds and consumption).
The internet wasn't designed for image-rich web pages, and it struggled for a while. We didn't ban them, we evolved.
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beaups
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Hilliard, OH | "If there is a technical reason for some of these restrictions, then make the technical limit and let __me__ decide how I want to spend it"
That would be a CAP and we all know how well received those are. |
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Re: Don't like it....?
said by fiberguy :It's new, it's wireless, and I think they're smart to do so. I think this is a legitimate reason to place some early technical limits while the service gets off the ground -- perhaps including some temporary restrictions on protocols until the provider is comfortable that they will behave okay on the medium.
I don't see that happening, though. The other big names set their 5 GB caps quite a while ago, they're not going up. Nobody is testing to see whether some of the restricted uses need to be restricted at all.
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Re: Well
said by beaups : "If there is a technical reason for some of these restrictions, then make the technical limit and let __me__ decide how I want to spend it" That would be a CAP and we all know how well received those are. Caps aren't well received, that's true. But ask yourself -- why? Or what can a provider do with a cap that makes it less ugly?
1. They can promise to raise it faster than demand
2. They can exempt certain hours from the cap
3. They can offer a slower, uncapped service
4. They can offer a "re-buy" of more bandwidth
Most ISPs are being pretty boneheaded about it. Comcast got heat for their "new" cap only because it surprised people who weren't aware that it had been there for years.
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO | reply to beaups
If you can't do that, it's not unlimited. Sorry. Now I have no problem of throttling P2P to 512k or 1 Mbit but don't call restricted-use service unlimited. |
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Shack
join:2002-01-17
Bloomington, IN | reply to jc100
It is not satellite |
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beaups
join:2003-08-11
Hilliard, OH | reply to funchords
Re: Don't like it....?
I'm not sure what you mean when you say "needs to be restricted". it's their network and they want to restrict it, they shouldn't need to demonstrate that it's "needed". |
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a333
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Rego Park, NY | Of course, cell companies shouldn't EVER be held accountable for their "network management" policies.... the horror, the horror..... |
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jester121
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chicago_dsl
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So true.. After all it is a consumer based society. What would you expect?
I got a feeling that "unlimited" branded service will make a comeback, but I promise you it will cost you a lot more than you are paying now.. My 2 cents.. |
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said by beaups :I'm not sure what you mean when you say "needs to be restricted". it's their network and they want to restrict it, they shouldn't need to demonstrate that it's "needed". Again, don't call it "Internet" and block/throttle/restrict it. That's not Internet.
And if you have a problem with my position, come to my gas station and I'll give you some "Unleaded" (50% water).
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NetAdmin
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With no reason given for restricting transfer usage, the reasons amount to childish reason of "because I can." Legitimate technical reasons like backhaul bandwidth shortages, interconnect bandwidth shortages or other possible problems with a wireless network would make their claim much more reasonable and easier to swallow.
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Done_Posting
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I have absolutely no problem with Sprint throttling their services as long as they are completely up front about it. If consumers disregard posted limitations of products and services they purchase, then that's their own problem.
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NetAdmin
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Re: Well
said by jc100 :I guess there would be ways around the blocking of ports (proxy etc) but truth be told, mobile broadband isn't mean to go p2p galore. Bingo. Hence the reason that the fixed-wireless last mile technologies need to be developed further. Mobile products have always been designed to be light usage mostly because of the technical limitations that constrain the products.
WIMAX is suppose to change that, but this service is too new to know if the problems that EVDO and GSM data services suffer from under high utilization are gone.
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asdfdfdfdfdfdf
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Do we actually have any information about what they intend to do?
Isn't this standard boilerplate for nearly all services today. Not to mention the standard clause that they can change the terms of service any time they choose anyway, so people are basically signing a blank sheet of paper over to any of these companies. We may not like it but this is nothing out of the ordinary.
I think we are reading too much into this. |
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LineNoise
join:2006-06-25
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Re: Don't like it....?
I agree...
How in the hell much stuff do you people download? I mean, I'm all for "Unlimited" also, but my god, I download everything and anything I want and I've NEVER used more then 20 gigs in a month. I'd be surprised if I used near that.
I don't agree with it, if they don't disclose it. It's their network, let them do what they want. My modem is on order, hopefully the network will be turned on real soon here in Chicago. |
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Re: Well
said by NetAdmin :WIMAX is suppose to change that, but this service is too new to know if the problems that EVDO and GSM data services suffer from under high utilization are gone. Yeah, but what happened to the cellular concept? Are the numbers of sites growing with the number of subscribers? (I don't know where to find this data...)
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