Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
 ·North State Commun..
|  Good for them!
My little town has fiber and I enjoy a 15Mbps/2Mbps connection for a little more than I'd pay Road Runner for 7Mbps/384Kbps. My fiber isn't muni, but rather through a local ILEC.
This project sounds like they've done their homework and have taken much more into consideration than most muni projects. The suggested reading in Karl's article is enlightening.
Of course, the anti-muni trolls will be along soon saying how it will fail and the taxpayers will be on the hook, etc etc.
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knightmb
Everybody Lies
join:2003-12-01
Franklin, TN
·AT&T DSL Service
| Just goes to show
You don't have a big a ultra sized city to get good Internet along with someone willing to provide the service that you want. Supply and demand, there is a demand, they meet with the supply.
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dnoyeB
Ferrous Phallus
join:2000-10-09
Southfield, MI
|  On a side note
I know your supposed to keep vegitation and water back about 8-10 feet from the side of your house. There is a nice border of rocks in that picture. I'm wondering how one keeps the weeds from growing up in between the rocks.
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
·North State Commun..
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Re: Good for them!
No, not an pro-muni troll, but a pro-forward thinking troll perhaps, or even a pro-let's try something new troll, maybe even a pro-if the incumbents won't build it, it's the job of government to step in troll.
I think those would adequately describe me.
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battleop
join:2005-09-28
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"The service provider, TCT West, is partnering with the city to offer triple play services over the system and TCT is providing bond guarantees in exchange for this right."
This is what makes this different. IF the project fails the taxpayer is not on the hook, TCT is. This is different from someplace like Chattanoooga, TN where if EPB's FTTH fails the Rate payers will see an increase in their electric bills to cover the failure. |
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
·North State Commun..
| said by battleop  :"The service provider, TCT West, is partnering with the city to offer triple play services over the system and TCT is providing bond guarantees in exchange for this right." This is what makes this different. IF the project fails the taxpayer is not on the hook, TCT is. This is different from someplace like Chattanoooga, TN where if EPB's FTTH fails the Rate payers will see an increase in their electric bills to cover the failure. I 100% agree. This is an example of how a muni deployment can work. I just take issue when the mere mention of a muni deployment brings the lemmings in here talking about it's imminent failure and how there is no way a muni deployment will ever work.
I think sometimes people forget someone has to blaze the trail and the folks (municipalities in this case) who live on the bleeding edge usually fall off, but that can be used as a lesson for others to improve upon the idea, if it's fundamentally sound.
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jester121
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join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL | reply to dnoyeB
Re: On a side note
Weed barrier underneath and Round-Up by the bucketfull. |
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jester121
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Lake Zurich, IL | reply to knightmb
Re: Just goes to show
Au contraire, I'd suggest that you're much better off being in a very small town, and hopefully far away from a large incumbent. This small town might even be resistant to the corruption and waste that make change difficult in larger municipalities. |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
 ·RoadRunner Cable
·DSL EXTREME
| reply to knightmb
I know of a bunch of small towns in Canada that are wired pretty well (population of less than 5,000)
OC-192 backbone, and offer both Cable internet and DSL for less than $40/month w/o bundling.
»www.shaw.ca/NR/rdonlyres/B9CF057···bone.pdf
Town of White River, Ontario, population of less than 1,000, with access to Shaw's OC-192
Standalone 5Mbps DSL
»www.vianet.ca/residential_dsl.php
Standalone Cable HSI (unfortunately with Caps)
»www.vianet.ca/cable_nwestern_on.php
Sadly enough, the cable company (Shaw) doesn't offer digital TV though
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | reply to Matt
Re: Good for them!
Damn, TK proved you right  |
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John Keels
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Of course, I expect that if the area is served by Qwest or AT&T. Or if there is cable broadband in that town (I imagine there is) that the big boys will try to take the town to court and sue the socks off of the town for offering this kind of service.
One day I hope there is a court ruling in this country that sets a legal precedent against the CLEC or cable company suing or barring local governments from offering fiber networks. These big companies shouldn't be able to tell the towns what to do at all. They may sell the connection somewhere for a backbone connection to that town and yes they get to charge for that but outside that they shouldn't have any say at all over whether a town or county, etc builds their own network. |
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John Keels
@appstate.edu | Fiber
Where I live the outlying areas of the county are served by a small local ILEC. Like many Skybest/Skyline is building out a fiber network. If the small guys can do it then why are these big guys so afraid to do it? |
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Duramax08
Oh rly?
join:2008-08-03
San Antonio, TX
 ·Clearwire Wireless
·Juno Express
| Awesome.
Well thats good that they finally got something to use other then dial up. I hope some one comes down my road soon. All I can think of is that Ronnie Milsap song Any Day Now..... 
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koolkid1563
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join:2005-11-06
Powell, WY
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Re: Just goes to show
TCT will also offer a triple play package, though I am not entirely sure on pricing. I have a brochure here, though some things aren't entirely clear to me just yet. I intend on calling them later today to clarify a few things while hopefully getting on the test list for our zone. HSI speeds for now will start out at 5Mb/s and TCT is eventually going to offer their fastest tier at 100Mb/s with room to expand faster than that since they are using GPON and the ONT has a GigE port in it. TV will be IPTV based and phone will have two options from what I understand. There is a VoIP option served from an additional Linksys ATA or the second option which is POTS from the ONT. |
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koolkid1563
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join:2005-11-06
Powell, WY
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·Bresnan Online
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Re: On a side note
We do have a weed barrier under the rock with irrigation to the shrubbery using a drip system. Water from the downspout and any additional runoff is directed toward the curbing around the rock which has small PVC 'drains' under the curbing that drain into the grass. Any weeds that do happen to get through we just pull, though round up isn't a bad idea either. |
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Core0000
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join:2008-05-04
Somerset, KY
·New Wave Communica..
·Windstream
| Powell, Wyoming Fiber
At least Powell Wyoming is doing something that will create more revenue constantly, and in unique ways.
The small city I live in decided to have a water park built. IT takes 10 to 12,000 dollars a day to operate.Source:»www.somerset-kentucky.com/local/···157.html The city I live in has a large population of Welfare people, and people that live in government assisted housing. .. The median income for people in the city I live in yearly is only 23,000 a year gross, meaning they don't have a lot of money to spend.
With gas prices high as they are. I personally do not know how its going to work out. Because it was supposed to work as a tourist attraction.
Plus the land it was built on is off of old highway 27. I am guessing the deal was done a little before new 27 came in.
The real kicker is, that this is going to split tourist from the lakes, to the water-park.
Thank god the people in Powell Wyoming are a lot smarter than where I live. They have a place that invested in the future, in a smart way.
If your going to spend the public's money, might as well get something really good out of it. |
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Quento21
join:2007-09-28
Laurel, MT | Hope
i live right across the border near Billings. I hope my town of 7,000 will get smart and the local isp (cable montana) will start doing fiber or something. |
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pepe42214365
@comcast.net
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Re: Fiber
That's what they pay lobbyists for, to prevent them from having to spend a lot of money in areas where their return on investment (ROI) is going to be much lower than in more densely populated cities. The telecommunications laws (& FCC) in the U.S. unfortunately favor the rich telcos & other corporations. There has to be a meeting point in the middle somewhere, inbetween sufficient profit and adequate services for small town America.
The Health care situation is not dissimilar. There should be a hybrid public-private system which opts for the best of both worlds- increasing/providing coverage for millions of americans, but also retains private companies ability to turn a profit and thrive. As much as the current system is broken, any universal health care system that has been suggested will also fail for different reasons. |
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