  karlmarx
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The US doesn't really CARE about freedom, or democracy, or any of those talking points the republicans keep bringing up. The ONLY thing that matters to the government is the almighty corporate dollar. So WHAT if china is using US technologies to oppress their own citizens, as long as we get paid, all is good. We even outsource all our jobs over there, but the fat cat executives and corrupt wall street pigs still get their new ferarri's and beach houses. Capitalism without concerns for the consequences, that's what REAL american patriots support.
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2 edits | Filtered Internet or No Internet
Someone that I know closely used to write to an undercover missionary in China. They had to write in code. This was only 10 years ago.
If the choices in China are a filtered Internet, and no Internet, then a filtered Internet wins.
Reasons:
1. Even filtered, truth comes shining through.
2. Filters are generally technologically behind, and access to the Internet means that darknets can provide unfiltered access. Plus, the Chinese have sent many students here to be educated in computer science. I know of a few that are back in China, circumventing these filters for themselves and their friends.
3. Filters probably means that someone in authority looks at what is getting filtered, 99% of which is probably not a threat. As an effect, we can hope that democracy and freedom will someday be seen as a chaos to embrace rather than something to resist. -- Robb Topolski -= funchords.com =- Hillsboro, Oregon More features, more fun, Join BroadbandReports.com, it's free...
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1 edit | reply to karlmarx Re: It's all about the dollar!
said by karlmarx : So let me see if I have this right? The problem with China isn't their own Communist leaders who are oppressing their own people, but the US capitalists.
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  karlmarx
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| The problem, quite simply, is that the US Capitalist ENABLE the chinese communist to oppress their own people. We don't really care WHAT kind of government we sell our stuff to, we don't care how badly it screws middle america by outsourcing our jobs. The only thing that this administration cares about is making the rich, even richer.
In 20 years, the AVERAGE CEO Salary has gone from 1.5 million, to over 18 million. In worker terms, it went from 25 workers to 478 workers. THAT is the fat cat's getting fatter, and the rest of us getting screwed. -- The happiest countries are the most secular. The struggle AGAINST corporations is the struggle FOR humanity! |
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| reply to karlmarx said by karlmarx :The US doesn't really CARE about freedom, or democracy, or any of those talking points the republicans keep bringing up. The ONLY thing that matters to the government is the almighty corporate dollar. So WHAT if china is using US technologies to oppress their own citizens, as long as we get paid, all is good. We even outsource all our jobs over there, but the fat cat executives and corrupt wall street pigs still get their new ferarri's and beach houses. Capitalism without concerns for the consequences, that's what REAL american patriots support. This message was approved by John McCain. The government is an extension of our corporations it seems. They are partners in US, Inc. Most of the people of the US do care about freedom and democracy. Those talking points coming from both republicans and democrats are shallow and worthless. It's the actions from both parties that indicate to me that neither represent most of us in a meaningful, honest way.
Capitalism is still the best option, when it is not being abused and left thoroughly unfettered. It is the power-crazed few that have little or no scrupulous qualities that are destroying many of the monumental efforts and sacrifices that helped to establish this great nation. This notion that we must always expand and grow our businesses no matter the consequences is just ridiculous and it needs to be regulated as was originally intended when this country was born.
Clearly our politicians are not doing their jobs and have abandoned their civic duties and responsibilities. And this has nothing to do with an elephant or a donkey pinned to a person's lapel. And it is not something that is strictly a phenomenon of the policies of the US. It is a global issue, as can be confirmed by this Skype story. |
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  kfsutops Premium join:2002-08-19 Brandon, FL clubs: 
| Why is it?
Why is it that people get so up in arms about Chines spying on their own people?
But yet, when the US does it it's in the name of "terrorism" and OK. -- "There are no stupid questions, but there are a LOT of inquisitive idiots" |
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 quatrix Premium join:2005-02-11 Davie, FL | reply to karlmarx Re: It's all about the dollar!
Is this another one of your justifications for stealing? |
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said by kfsutops :Why is it that people get so up in arms about Chines spying on their own people? But yet, when the US does it it's in the name of "terrorism" and OK. For me it's more about the censorship. We have many options to find the truth or to even find a crazy non-factual rant ripping our government to shreds. The people of China do not have this luxury. They ONLY have information and a perspective that their own oppressive government provides. |
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said by quatrix :Is this another one of your justifications for stealing? You mean when CEOs steal, now even from the tax coffers? |
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  penny
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I care because it's obviously not right to filter 'Democracy' and 'Milk Powder' no matter what goverment it is! Isn't that a common sense? |
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  N3OGH Bear patrol must be working like a charm Premium join:2003-11-11 Philly burbs | reply to kamm Re: It's all about the dollar!
Two wrongs obviously don't make right. |
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  jmn1207 Premium join:2000-07-19 Reston, VA
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| said by N3OGH :Two wrongs obviously don't make right. No, a bunch of wrongs make the right. |
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businesses in China being obliged to observe Chinese law. If one doesn't approve of China's policies and laws, then one shouldn't do business in China... and one should certainly never hold an Olympics there. Of course, who wouldn't want to do business in a several billion strong market just for the sake of some little ol' human rights violations?
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said by jmn1207 :said by karlmarx :The US doesn't really CARE about freedom, or democracy, or any of those talking points the republicans keep bringing up. The ONLY thing that matters to the government is the almighty corporate dollar. So WHAT if china is using US technologies to oppress their own citizens, as long as we get paid, all is good. We even outsource all our jobs over there, but the fat cat executives and corrupt wall street pigs still get their new ferarri's and beach houses. Capitalism without concerns for the consequences, that's what REAL american patriots support. This message was approved by John McCain. The government is an extension of our corporations it seems. They are partners in US, Inc. Most of the people of the US do care about freedom and democracy. Those talking points coming from both republicans and democrats are shallow and worthless. It's the actions from both parties that indicate to me that neither represent most of us in a meaningful, honest way. Capitalism is still the best option, when it is not being abused and left thoroughly unfettered. It is the power-crazed few that have little or no scrupulous qualities that are destroying many of the monumental efforts and sacrifices that helped to establish this great nation. This notion that we must always expand and grow our businesses no matter the consequences is just ridiculous and it needs to be regulated as was originally intended when this country was born. Clearly our politicians are not doing their jobs and have abandoned their civic duties and responsibilities. And this has nothing to do with an elephant or a donkey pinned to a person's lapel. And it is not something that is strictly a phenomenon of the policies of the US. It is a global issue, as can be confirmed by this Skype story. Very true tho the right is prone to this due to their dependence on corporate money. -- [BQUOTE=[user=bicker]]Waaaa waaaa waaaa. You just want what you want and don't care to factor in what is right or true. Your perspectives are un-American, and deserve far more ridicule than I'm prepared to pile on them. [/BQUOTE] |
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| reply to karlmarx said by karlmarx :The US doesn't really CARE about freedom, or democracy, or any of those talking points the republicans keep bringing up. The ONLY thing that matters to the government is the almighty corporate dollar. So WHAT if china is using US technologies to oppress their own citizens, as long as we get paid, all is good. We even outsource all our jobs over there, but the fat cat executives and corrupt wall street pigs still get their new ferarri's and beach houses. Capitalism without concerns for the consequences, that's what REAL american patriots support. This message was approved by John McCain. This is the most incoherent thing i have read in a long time. Does the space shuttle going up cause it to rain as well ? Oh did you forget how the US has helped people throughout the world. Remember the earthquake in Sumatra. Karl i think you need to move to communist country and truely experience the joy. -- Say no to fear. Dont let anxiety crush your life. Live life free and unfettered.
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  N3OGH Bear patrol must be working like a charm Premium join:2003-11-11 Philly burbs | reply to jmn1207 And makes you totally OT! |
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  DaveNJ No Fear
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1 edit | reply to karlmarx Re: It's all about the dollar!
said by karlmarx :The problem, quite simply, is that the US Capitalist ENABLE the chinese communist to oppress their own people. We don't really care WHAT kind of government we sell our stuff to, we don't care how badly it screws middle america by outsourcing our jobs. The only thing that this administration cares about is making the rich, even richer. Yeah, but think through it.
First off, any US business in China has to obey Chinese law -- even the ones we disagree with; just as any Chinese business in the US has to obey our law. Neither would have it any other way.
Any place we outsource too many jobs to is going becomes less competitive for future outsourced jobs. That's what happened in Bangalore, India -- in just a few short years, their labor costs shot high enough to make jobs move back.
Meanwhile, we tend to add 1.5 million jobs per year, with the exception of 2002 and 2008. Over 5 years, the national average after-tax income grows 20%. So where do these fat-cats live? Sure, most are in the northeast, but the south and the plains gained quite well. Wyoming had the biggest increase -- nearly 40% in the past 5 years. Louisiana had 35% growth and Oaklahoma 30%.
Region 2003 2007 New England $32,993 $40,066 Mideast 31,358 38,321 Great Lakes 27,818 31,902 Plains 27,477 32,224 Southeast 25,577 30,781 Southwest 25,945 31,926 Rocky Mountain 26,771 31,812 Far West 29,256 35,320
United States 28,061 33,619
(to see this, go to »www.bea.gov/bea/regional/spi/def···=summary and choose the "Per capita disposable personal income" for 2003 and 2007.)
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1 edit | reply to kamm said by kamm :Very true tho the right is prone to this due to their dependence on corporate money. Perhaps, but the corporate money doesn't really care how it buys influence, the money to watch is also the lobbying money.
Take the EFF. Our major broadband companies EACH spend more on lobbying in just one quarter than the EFF spends in an entire year (checks true for both Comcast and AT&T). That's a lot of face time, and it vastly outguns face time with individual constituents and grass-roots lobbyists that try to represent them.
These Congress-critters can't walk two feet without tripping over a corporate lobbyist who essentially represent zero American voters.
Maybe lobbyists should get face time on Tuesday and Thursday mornings before 10:30 and that all lobbying of any kind must be done in a pre-disclosed public place. Private meetings should be reserved for "U.S." (us) with our own reps. That might fix some of this nonsense. (Beats me if that's a crazy idea...) -- Robb Topolski -= funchords.com =- Hillsboro, Oregon More features, more fun, Join BroadbandReports.com, it's free...
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