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1 edit | Up to ISPs?
If someone stays within the cap range, and pays their bill every month, why should an ISP care whats going over its pipes? When did it become the duty of the ISP to police content?
Not that I support them, but will ISPs start limiting the websites of the KKK? Will the government jump in and censor people that write about government reform? Where does the filter stop?
Anyone who has read any of my posts on here knows that i support ISPs enforcing caps, mainly because most people are piraters that download tons and tons of content and eat up bandwidth. But i never have advocated that the service provider should police it.
If the music and movie industry wouldnt have been so greedy the last 30 years and prices on those products wouldnt have been so outrageous, piracy wouldnt be as big of a problem today. But cmon, 300 bucks for a blu ray player, and then 30 for each dvd?!?!!? All of it going to line the pockets of already rich millionaires. |
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| Silly? Hardly.
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As Techdirt notes, a choice of no P2P use versus no Internet access entirely isn't much of a choice, making the survey (which was released last Spring but covered today by the BBC) a little bit silly.
It's certainly not silly. A lot of people engage in criminal acts regardless of the possible penalty so it's certainly not surprising that some people would continue engaging in copyright infringement even at the risk of losing their service. |
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Koil
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| Why don't they get it?
So...If, yet again, another stupid piece of this were to be set in place, do they not think that either "pirate" ISP's will begin to proliferate, and/or ways of (such as is already possible) masking our packets from the ISP's?
Those that do not wish to be seen can move and adapt so much faster than the ones trying to catch them, that this endless cycle will continue ad nauseam.
Instead of building a better rat trap, someone on their side needs to wisen up and build a better model of distribution....and one that isn't over inflated.
But, I say that now, but realistically its too late, isn't it. They've already done irreparable harm and pissed sooo many ppl off, I doubt they'll be able to come back into good graces with those they have spurned.
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| I'm not surprised...
It's no doubt that the majority would rather not risk losing their existing internet connection rather than continue downloading movies/music/pirated files for free.
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| ISP Warnings only drive it further underground
Already the number of people who still use p2p vs. less traceable methods such as IRC, Usenet, and direct download services like Rapidshare and Megaupload is decreasing. MAFIAA mandated ISP crackdowns will force more people to use means of getting content that are much harder to stop than p2p is, and furthermore encrypt every part of the file transfer.
Let's see Audible Magic and other anti-piracy companies try to deal with that.
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mythology
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lordofwhee
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| This again?
It seems every few months someone releases the exact same figures which supposedly come from different sources, or have their source in the 1980s.
I've gotten in the habit of disregarding every statistic the MAFIAA come up with (or, more probably, make up). |
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| Lame Legislation.
Laws are already in place for this. Its not the ISP`s job to be the internet cops. RIAA isnt interested in Joe Blow songwriters intellectual property. They are interested in control, plain and simple. Instead of complaining about it, they should embrace it. This internet IS the new radio. |
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Vtr_Racing
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Re: ISP Warnings only drive it further underground
Yep, they dont get and refuse to (RIAA) admit this is stupid. |
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antdude
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said by mythology  :72% of people would get a new ISP. That doesn't work for those who have limited ISPs like my area (no DSL, no FIOS, etc.) that only has cable modem. |
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robl27
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again, this is about control in what we say/do on the interent.
the MPAA and RIAA are the thieves and need to let go.
i still advise all to use this and keep it up to date:
»phoenixlabs.org/pg2/
it offers some protection from this crap.
the RIAA and MPAA are worried about their bottom line. they don't give a fuck about us or the artist they represent.
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3 edits | There is no ISP required to get free music now.
The ISP issue has already been circumvented. Now you can get all the free high quality mp3's you could ever want, without an Internet connection, and to top it off its quite legal. We should actually thank the RIAA for giving us the technology to do so. In their never ending greed, they promoted the idea of broadcasting digital CD quality sound over radio station signals with advanced text embedding that makes RBDS look like garbage, its now known as HD Radio. Hoping to capitalize on increased listeners and the ad revenue that resulted, they have heavily promoted HD Radio technology all across America, they even got the FCC to mandate the technology.
But, they made a big mistake thinking they could prevent recording the digital broadcast with a software system that takes full advantage of the embedded text (an automated mp3 generator). The RIAA along with the inventors of HD Radio, Ibiquity, had effectively prevented any PC card or USB based HD Radio tuner from ever being sold in order to prevent this nightmare scenario from happening. It was just a matter of time before someone found a way to interface an existing HD Radio receiver to a PC, and their hopes for aversion came crashing down. |
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Re: Up to ISPs?
said by baineschile :When did it become the duty of the ISP to police content? Since they were forced to by the Patriot Act adopted in 2002. I believe ISP's had to have their monitoring equipment in place by either 2005 or 2006, and are not forced to allow access to records to officials that have a warrant to look at them.
Obviously, the INTENDED use is to track down terrorists, but legally speaking the system may be used by any law enforcement who sees reason enough to suspect someone of crimes, and that could include piracy. Of course a proper warrant is still required.
The point of this post is not that the police weren't able to issue warrants BEFORE the patriot act, because they were. But before the patriot act, an ISP could simply say "I am sorry, but our records only go back 2 weeks" or something that sounds technically reasonable, while with the Patriot Act they are legally forced to keep all records to user traffic for at least one year.
Of course, the Patriot Act is useless in the fight against terrorism, because any smart terrorist uses very high encryption to communicate, which is virtually uncrackable, at least not within a reasonable amount of time.
So in a nutshell: The ISP's are forced to keep all traffic records for a year, and the government can request access to those records under the Patriot Act if they suspect you for any type of crime, including those not even close to terrorism, such as torrenting the latest issue of Girls Gone Wild. |
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Pv8man
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| I got a notice from WOW
I got this notice about 3 weeks ago, and I'm going to be honest because I think the info is important, The last time I used bit torrent was about a month or two ago, and I downloaded the NIN album, and a Ubuntu distro. That is it, and I received this notice once when I pulled up Firefox.
I have continued to call the number but get no answer for almost two weeks now. |
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quatrix
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Re: ISP Warnings only drive it further underground
Wow, businesses trying to protect THEIR property? Who would have thought? Wal*Mart only cares about their bottom line as well. I guess it's okay for me to shoplift. |
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Another thing that the MAFIAA will never be able to stop is
the trading of content via portable hard drives. Considering
how cheap these are, a person can bring his entire library of
music and ripped DVDs over to their friends' houses, and allow
them to copy whatever they want.
The same thing is going on on college campuses, and is likely
more popular where draconian anti-p2p policies have been put
into place on the school's network.
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said by mythology :72% of people would get a new ISP. LOL yea how many are there?
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Re: I got a notice from WOW
said by Pv8man :I got this notice about 3 weeks ago, and I'm going to be honest because I think the info is important, The last time I used bit torrent was about a month or two ago, and I downloaded the NIN album, and a Ubuntu distro. That is it, and I received this notice once when I pulled up Firefox.I have continued to call the number but get no answer for almost two weeks now. I've never seen an ISP relay a "warning" quite like that. Looks kinda iffy to me, especially if your internet is still functional. |
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Re: ISP Warnings only drive it further underground
it's not their property, it's the property of the ARTIST.
when will you learn? it's about CONTROL. america is almost dead.
i do not support the mafIAA at all.
i haven't purchased a cd since this shit started. and i will stick to my word.
and from what i heard the artist gets treated like crap beyond belief. so if you want to support greed, then buy cds and watch foax news. if you want to be a part of the revolution then wake up and join the fight.
there are so few of them and many of us.
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Re: Up to ISPs?
Thank you RIAA.
RIAA v. The People: Five Years Later
On September 8, 2003, the recording industry sued 261 American music fans for sharing songs on peer-to-peer (P2P) file sharing networks, kicking off an unprecedented legal campaign against the people that should be the recording industry’s best customers: music fans.1 Five years later, the recording industry has filed, settled, or threatened legal actions against at least 30,000 individuals.2 These individuals have included children, grandparents, unemployed single mothers, college professors�€”a random selection from the millions of Americans who have used P2P networks. And there’s no end in sight; new lawsuits are filed monthly, and now they are supplemented by a flood of "pre-litigation" settlement letters designed to extract settlements without any need to enter a courtroom.3
But suing music fans has proven to be an ineffective response to unauthorized P2P file-sharing. Downloading from P2P networks is more popular than ever, despite the widespread public awareness of lawsuits.4 And the lawsuit campaign has not resulted in any royalties to artists. One thing has become clear: suing music fans is no answer to the P2P dilemma. »www.eff.org/wp/riaa-v-people-years-later |
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