ftthz
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So someone was paid to find those images??? Sounds like a disturbing job. |
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Cuomo is just another politician (and by definition a whore) so don't be surprised when he engages in practices designed to make him look good regardless of whether they have a positive impact.
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Andrew Cuomo needs to create the appearance of a problem...
Speaking of disturbing jobs ...
New York state Attorney General Andrew Cuomo planned to use MediaDefender to collect child-porn evidence on P2P networks -- which is a rather questionable decision given that MediaDefender:
1. Has a history of interfering and disrupting online activity, including people and content that is completely legal and cleared to share
2. Is paid by the porn industry to plant fake files on P2P networks that, when viewed, drive the viewer to the porn-operators site
3. Lacks sufficient intrusion protection (they suffered a huge break in about a year ago)
4. Was preparing an entrapment website (MiVii).
Yeah, Andy's a good cop. 
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Sure Cuomo is off his rocker, no bones on that.
But understand Giganews has a vested interest in keeping the whole thing afloat. It's good PR for them, attracts new customers, and keeps their business going. In fact, the whole charade has been a boondoggle for Giganews. They're getting a whole lot of new business - both from individuals and from ISPs who have begun to outsource their Usenet to Giganews. |
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Seriously, the BIG Smoking Gun would have been if the big ISP's were actually behind the whole investigation in that they recruited Cuomo via donation to be their mouthpiece. They just wanted a way out of supporting binaries or usenet at all. As I always have said, I seriously doubt ISP's cry foul whenever somebody saves them a buck. Over here when crappy AT&T claimed to have binaries, the service was so bad that the articles would never show up or they were incomplete. |
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said by ftthz  :So someone was paid to find those images??? Sounds like a disturbing job. I doubt a person was involved, except maybe to program an
automated bot to know what to search for.
And that bot was most likely one of Giganews' own, not the ones that MediaDefender use. If it had been the latter, chances are that Giganews would have reported a much higher percentage of CP posts on Usenet, given how inaccurate such tools that are used by the anti-piracy companies are.
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said by ftthz :So someone was paid to find those images??? Sounds like a disturbing job. And even if the % of child porn was low(.0003% of 3.7 billion), it still amounts to over 11,000 images. Who would want a job to check those out - ugh!!
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Worcester, MA | for the children...
as long as you put 'for the children' as a reason to block, restrict, or do anything, you can get away with doing whatever you want. sometimes it gets used for legit cause, others as a dumb excuse, and others twist it to make it an excuse. |
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pabster
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Waterloo, IA | reply to funchords
Re: Andrew Cuomo needs to create the appearance of a problem...
Agreed. Cuomo's a fool and MediaDefender a disgrace. |
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mrchris
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North Babylon, NY | reply to cornelius785
Re: for the children...
Another dumbass excuse as pols turned children into cult objects as it's always something about them. |
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Re: Andrew Cuomo needs to create the appearance of a problem...
said by funchords :2. Is paid by the porn industry to plant fake files on P2P networks that, when viewed, drive the viewer to the porn-operators site When discussing the "war" waged by Opportunist NYAG Cuomo, let's be more specific when tossing around the general term "porn." We're talking about purveyors of child pornography here. Adult porn is still legal and is protected by the 1st Amendment. |
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Ebolla
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said by TKJunkMail :said by ftthz :So someone was paid to find those images??? Sounds like a disturbing job. And even if the % of child porn was low(.0003% of 3.7 billion), it still amounts to over 11,000 images. Who would want a job to check those out - ugh!! a pedophile? |
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cableman0327
join:2004-10-10
Westminster, MD | Somebody do Something
Do what I do, use a filter, block out the sites, ISP's can do the same thing, and dont give me your rights bullshit, if it is'nt legal, its not a right! |
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Whenever I see this kind of political grandstanding always reminds me of this scene from Blazing Saddles!
Gentlemen please, rest your sphincters! 
You know when it comes time for re-election he'll use the "I help clean child porn from the intertubes!". Even though he really did nothing. |
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james
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said by Ebolla :said by TKJunkMail :said by ftthz :So someone was paid to find those images??? Sounds like a disturbing job. And even if the % of child porn was low(.0003% of 3.7 billion), it still amounts to over 11,000 images. Who would want a job to check those out - ugh!! a pedophile? That's a big risk, but people in those positions are put through some pretty tough psych evaluations, and their private lives are subject to much more scrutiny than Joe Blow.
The "investigators" I'd be worried about are the ones who aren't acting on behalf of any agency. Private citizens who "stumble across child porn" and report it are probably surfing on some legaly questionable sites. |
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doober
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| Protecting the children ...............hmmmmmmmm
I wonder if there is a statistic showing how many children that are allowed to use newsgroups unsupervised? Are we kidding ourselves or are we just to lame to get back what once what provided to us for free.
Are we really letting a ISP conducted and paid for investigation getting away with something like this? Who are we protecting here? The ISP's? The Children? or the politicians that are in the pocket of the "K" street bandits?
This investigation is censorship on free speech. |
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Re: Andrew Cuomo needs to create the appearance of a problem...
said by funchords :2. Is paid by the porn industry to plant fake files on P2P networks that, when viewed, drive the viewer to the porn-operators site said by SilverSurfer :When discussing the "war" waged by Opportunist NYAG Cuomo, let's be more specific when tossing around the general term "porn." We're talking about purveyors of child pornography here. Agreed. I don't think there's an advertising budget within any child pornography industry, but thanks for clarifying that just in case someone wasn't sure.
said by SilverSurfer :Adult porn is still legal and is protected by the 1st Amendment. My complaint about MediaDefender and the (adult) porn industry is that they inject fake files and search results into the P2P networks to lure users to their sites -- users, who are not necessarily adults. Giving ones porn ad for "fetishsite.com" the same title as the search terms someone just used, such as "building implosions", is probably not speech protected by the first amendment.
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| said by funchords :My complaint about MediaDefender and the (adult) porn industry is that they inject fake files and search results into the P2P networks to lure users to their sites -- users, who are not necessarily adults. Giving ones porn ad for "fetishsite.com" the same title as the search terms someone just used, such as "building implosions", is probably not speech protected by the first amendment. That may be so, but I've noticed that you have a nasty little habit of speaking in glittering generalities no matter what your opinion is on this site for any given topic. Someone corrected you so don't get your panties in a wad over it.
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4 edits | Of course it will stop with saving children, right?
But if it does who will protect the poor adult airline passengers from being exposed to porn via airline broadband connections?  And what about all the internet cafe and library users, we cant have their delicate morals degraded by internet porn now can we? Should it stop at porn or should we include terrorist related sites, maybe ANY sites that deal with illicit topics, and perhaps a few that just deal with left wing values?
(Those that claim censorship will be limited to illegal activity alone, have a lot to learn.)
Want an example? Move to Utah, and please remember to disgard all your dangerous high point beer and XXX movies into the box at the border. |
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