iansltx
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Golden, CO
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| WiMAX has an advantage over LTE...
...it's already out. It has been deployed in a lot of situations, and since it's a more WiFi-ish technology (802.16) consumer electronics devices are going to more readily adopt the tech. I'll believe the LTE hype when I see it; sounds like the tech won't be available until Comcast has brought DOCSIS 3 to all its markets 
LTE may have deep pockets, but it may be a successor tech to WiMAX rather than a competitor, at the rate WiMAX is rolling out (and LTE isn't). Especially in countries where HSPA isn't widely deployed. |
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Nomad
@algx.net
| That is if LTE could keep up with WiMax's evolution
By the time LTE launches, WiMax would be upgraded to 802.16m profile due to its much faster speed of development pace at WiMax camp. In other word, LTE's competitor is not the current 802.16e WiMax, but its successor 802.16m.
Good luck beating 802.16m in throughput with LTE. |
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partysource
join:2000-11-25
Phoenix, AZ | LTE Is King
The only company embracing WiMax is Sprint. We all know Sprint is garbage! |
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Anjorusso
@nychhc.org
| forget wimax.....its going to take a while
did you hear about mobile internet over digital TV frequency? Infrastracture is already there:)) it's only a matter of adding equipment to existing antennas and turning it on:))
»www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co···395.html |
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cptmiles
Premium
join:2004-04-22
Swayzee, IN | reply to partysource
Re: LTE Is King
How can LTE be King if we don't even know if/when it will work? They've barely rolled out 3G.
Even if they roll it out to the cities by 2012 it won't be nationwide until who knows when? |
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phoneboy3
@shawcable.net
| ......and the propaganda begins
LOL!
This is funny. Merely propaganda put out by the Telcos to cool enthusiasm for WiMAX. If the Telcos are saying LTE is 3 years away you can bet it's at least 5 years away.
WiMAX and LTE are more similar to each other than they are to anything else out there right now including 3G.
It's a no brainer. By the time LTE is ready to come out WiMAX will have been out 5 years and will be built into EVERYTHING. LTE already lost!
Sprint is just the first. There will be many others adopting it. It's gain even more traction in the rest of the world.
Just follow the money. WiMAX will blow away the Telco competition for several years to come and they will eventually have to capitulate. They will either adopt WiMAX or the LTE hardware will also work with WiMAX(due to compromises from the Telcos, not the other way around)because again, WiMAX will be integrated into EVERYTHING by then. |
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Washington, DC
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1 edit | VHS vs Beta -- who will win?
The merged Sprint-Clearwire with gobs of spectrum and:
* "New Clearwire will permit consumers to use any lawful device that they want so long as it is compatible with and not harmful to the WiMAX network
* "New Clearwire also will permit consumers to download and use any software applications, content, or services they desire, subject only to reasonable network management practices and law enforcement and public safety considerations
* "New Clearwire will offer non-exclusive wholesale access to its network
* "New Clearwire will deploy an advanced mobile WiMAX broadband network that will cover up to 140 million people in the United States in 30 months" Or
The folks that bring you kinda-sorta "'3G' 2.5-ish if you can get a channel and we'll throttle you like the Boston Strangler if you're downloading something with a .mp3 extension but you can get the same song from our branded 'store' really fast and no we don't have a date for LTE, yet so quit asking."
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
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| reply to phoneboy3
Re: ......and the propaganda begins
There's more than 'just' that.
WiMAX:
- Here now (limited areas)
- Large chunk of spectrum avaiable (2.5GHz) to Sprint
- Limited devices (currently)
- Few carriers
- Backing of a few large corporations: Intel/Sprint and chipmakers
LTE:
- Handset market GSM/UMTS and EVDO upgrade path (+3.5 billion devices in use today)
- Backed by most telecoms
- Global infrastructure
- No current devices
- No current buildout
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Smile__
Premium
join:2008-10-10
Baltimore, MD | reply to partysource
Re: LTE Is King
Dont be mad because you can't get it..  Yet... |
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phoneboy3
@shawcable.net
| reply to en102
Re: ......and the propaganda begins
Ummmm, your way off in a couple important ways. LTE is not a natural upgrade path for HSPA. HSPA core is traditional packet switched. LTE is IP core.
WiMAX is also IP core so you could just as easily migrate from HSPA to WiMAX. Actually WiMAX and LTE are VERY very similar. The most important differences are more political/business rather than technical.
LTE is designed by the telcos for the telcos to maintain as much control as possible in the telcos hands. The WiMAX standard is designed by IEEE who's mandate is all about technical merit first and foremost. WiMAX therefore put's more power in the users and device manufacturers hands, not the Telco's.
These are facts the Telco's don't want you to know. |
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wimaxed
@rr.com | WiMAX
It's not always about the money. Think about music players like iPod and Microsoft Zune.
Microsoft has a lot more money then Apple but iPod is the king.
»www.WiMAXED.com |
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cptmiles
Premium
join:2004-04-22
Swayzee, IN
|  reply to phoneboy3
Re: ......and the propaganda begins
I agree. If the general public want to rage against the corporate machine...Wi-Max might possibly be the way.
This might be the first time in a long time small carriers following a standard protocol has a jump on the big guys.
It's my opinion that Wi-Max will evolve at least 3 times before LTE gets a sniff. |
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ricep5
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| The Bottom Found
"The bottomless pockets of AT&T and Verizon should certainly help LTE's fortunes."
Hardly, even they are having a hard time getting corporate paper (debt) sold on the markets right now. They use this paper to fund capital purchases and with the banks and investment community in a credit seizure (no pun intended) it has become very difficult and expensive for large carriers to get financing on certain capital items.
Some are deferring capital outlays until the markets settle down (which in turn causes more issues). |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
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| reply to phoneboy3
Re: ......and the propaganda begins
Very true that they are both IP based, however, do you expect the traditional 'MAP' core and roaming agreements to 'just disappear'. Handoffs between UMTS/HSPA and LTE will happen, just as EVDO VoIP to LTE will.
Telcos will attempt to have a 'natural' migration on handsets (whatever they may look like) to be able to handle UMTS/HSPA and LTE regardless of if its switched core or IP based.
WiMAX will be more of a open nature by being designed by IEEE, however, that does not mean that the corporations deploying it will be. It will not be 'WiFi' allowing the average user to set up a WiMAX base station for ~$50.
I do see WiMAX as having more available offerings that LTE will not dream of... but I do see that the +3.5 billion GSM/CDMA handsets not 'jumping' to WiMAX tomorrow either.
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| low volume product, not backwards compatible with ANYTHING
LTE has decades of backwards compatibility with GSM protocols/systems/provisioning/databases/billing, so minimal costs to upgrade backoffice equipment, and plenty of reuse of existing software. Plenty of opportunity for cheaper prices based on large volume of item manufactured/licensed (i'm forgetting the term here).
WiMAX has ethernet as its backwards compatibilty, which basically nothing. So for WiMAX there will always be a shadow over its head that if you make stuff for WiMAX, you need to charge higher prices to recoup $ because of the small market and small demand for WiMAX.
Lets think about LANs. Today everyone uses Ethernet (GSM). And Ethernet has been pushed along for ages (10->100->1000->10000->40000->100000) (GSM's vocoder, encryption algorithms, EDGE, UTMS). Wasn't ATM (TDMA IS-136) or FDDI (Flash-OFDM) or SONET (CDMA) or MPLS (UMB) supposed to be the successor for Ethernet? (cellular equivalents randomly assigned)
Why haven't any of those LAN standards taken off? |
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jester121
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Lake Zurich, IL
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| reply to Anjorusso
Re: forget wimax.....its going to take a while
said by Anjorusso :
did you hear about mobile internet over digital TV frequency? Infrastracture is already there:)) it's only a matter of adding equipment to existing antennas and turning it on And carriers have been rushing to do that sort of thing for decades already! |
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jester121
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Lake Zurich, IL
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| reply to en102
Re: ......and the propaganda begins
said by en102  :LTE: - Handset market GSM/UMTS and EVDO upgrade path (+3.5 billion devices in use today) What upgrade path? Throw out your existing one and buy a new one that works on the new network? That's not an upgrade.
Can I upgrade my 2005 Nissan to be a hybrid? |
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Sammer
join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA
1 edit | reply to Anjorusso
Re: forget wimax.....its going to take a while
WiMax is a far better technology than white space TV devices can ever hope to be. "WiFi on steroids" may have greater range but it still basically WiFi with all of its other problems and that extra range could actually become a curse if white space device nodes become crowded. There are very good reasons why wireless telcos prefer the 1900 MHz band in big cities and the 850 MHz band in rural areas. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | reply to en102
Re: ......and the propaganda begins
Basic point is, LTE is compatible with provisioning/management/billing/CS/trouble ticket/monitoring/routing/roaming systems of GSM. |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
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Valencia, CA
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1 edit | reply to jester121
Lets see...most of the planet is covered by GSM/CDMA networks.
I can take my Samsung ZX-20 and use it on almost any network GSM based network on the planet and have service.
I can take a WiMAX device and use it in... parts of Baltimore.
Unless WiMAX devices are built as a dual function (i.e. with some other network to fall over to use), its coverage are is very small. Local fixed internet use... sure. Wireless mobile in busses, subways, hotspots, sure. Wireless handsets for many - not until coverage is built. If I'm going out of town.. I don't want to have to search for a WiFi connection at a starbucks to make a call because WiMAX hasn't built out yet. If they're going to build handsets, they'll have to have some form of fall back. Being Sprint, I'm sure its 1x/EVDO.
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