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Comments on news posted 2008-10-28 09:37:45: If you cover the tech industry, your inbox has probably been assaulted over the last week with press releases from the National Association of Broadcasters (NAB), who are unleashing the power of their lobbying apparatus upon Washington and the press .. ..

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Zonerider
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possibly for fixed wireless

But if used for mobile it may well cause interference.


Jeffrey
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That's who they got?

That's like someone picking Sarah Pali...err, nevermind. (C'mon, people. It's a joke.) I'm now putting up the countdown clock for whoever starts the mini thread on the obvious issue related to this story.


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oh you just wanted an excuse

to show dolly's big boobs.

nasadude

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and we thank you for that.


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reply to inteller
said by inteller:

to show dolly's big boobs.
And a winner!

nasadude

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support from scofflaws?

it's funny how the NAB is enlisting the support of all the groups that illegally use unlicensed wireless mics.

of course the people using wireless mics don't pose a threat to NAB's business like widespread, affordable broadband would.


ArrayList
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said by nasadude:

...widespread, affordable broadband...
what? you have to be kidding...


ropeguru
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said by ArrayList:

said by nasadude:

...widespread, affordable broadband...
what? you have to be kidding...
Not at all... Once Obama is elected, taxes will go up so he can redistribute wealth bring broadband to all.


jjoshua
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So if...

If I say that I don't particularly care for Dolly Parton, does that make everything even.

cornelius785

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so apparently when money doesn't get the job done...

just find the nearest sex toy (or celebrity, bonus if they are both) to seduce the politicians and other government officials to get them to vote the way you want? it is actually pretty scary how much extensive a celebrities influence can be. is a wrestler qualified to be a politician? how about a former actor/body builder?


Lortab jones

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Tell me more of these unlicensed wireless mics. I am unaware of the issue, but I always enjoy hearing of fresh contention.

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Re: support from scofflaws?

said by ArrayList:

said by nasadude:

...widespread, affordable broadband...
what? you have to be kidding...
naw, just dreaming.


ArrayList
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reply to ropeguru
said by ropeguru:

said by ArrayList:

said by nasadude:

...widespread, affordable broadband...
what? you have to be kidding...
Not at all... Once Obama is elected, taxes will go up so he can redistribute wealth bring broadband to all.
considering that I don't pay income taxes(disabled vet pulling disability while I go to school on the post 9/11 GI bill »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-9/11_ ··· _of_2008) i dont give a rats ass about raising taxes. so if thats what it takes to get more competition in the broadband markets then by all means bring it on!


NetAdmin1
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reply to ropeguru
said by ropeguru:

Not at all... Once Obama is elected, taxes will go up so he can redistribute wealth bring broadband to all.
At least one of the candidates is being somewhat honest about the fact that his programs cost money and that to pay for them, he will have to raise taxes on the people who dodge most of their taxes anyway. McCain will just continue the last eight years of driving the government further into debt, as evidenced by the way he talks about his budget.

Just a side note, both of the candidates suck, so don't mistake me for Obama supporter.
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NetAdmin1
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Nice choice of spokesperson

I have to say, choosing Dolly Parton to talk about whitespace broadband is like picking Brittany Spears to warn people about the "dangers" of the LHC. Neither of them know anything about either issue, but of course clueless people everyone are going to take them seriously because they are famous.
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Re: support from scofflaws?

said by NetAdmin1:

said by ropeguru:

Not at all... Once Obama is elected, taxes will go up so he can redistribute wealth bring broadband to all.
At least one of the candidates is being somewhat honest about the fact that his programs cost money and that to pay for them, he will have to raise taxes on the people who dodge most of their taxes anyway. McCain will just continue the last eight years of driving the government further into debt, as evidenced by the way he talks about his budget.
But the fact of the matter is that it will be raise don those that hire people to work for them. When this happens, it will just force more companies to downsize and move overseas which will kill the economy even more.

said by NetAdmin1:

Just a side note, both of the candidates suck, so don't mistake me for Obama supporter.
Afraid I have to agree with you there. Can't we just vote none of the above and start over?

VariableARK

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Competition is Dead

The only people who are going to be able to afford to a big wireless role out like this are going to be the big guys anyways. This isn't going to increase competition at all just give ATT and the like another avenue to deliver service.


NetAdmin1
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reply to ropeguru

Re: support from scofflaws?

said by ropeguru:

But the fact of the matter is that it will be raise don those that hire people to work for them. When this happens, it will just force more companies to downsize and move overseas which will kill the economy even more.
I have heard that claim made many times - that raising the tax rates on the PERSONAL incomes of CEOs, other overpaid execs and people with high incomes would result force companies to downsize - but have yet to see anyone prove that higher tax rates on PERSONAL income and unemployment rates are linked. I would believe high corporate tax rates might affect employment numbers, but not taxes on personal income.
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ropeguru
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said by NetAdmin1:

said by ropeguru:

But the fact of the matter is that it will be raise don those that hire people to work for them. When this happens, it will just force more companies to downsize and move overseas which will kill the economy even more.
I have heard that claim made many times - that raising the tax rates on the PERSONAL incomes of CEOs, other overpaid execs and people with high incomes would result force companies to downsize - but have yet to see anyone prove that higher tax rates on PERSONAL income and unemployment rates are linked. I would believe high corporate tax rates might affect employment numbers, but not taxes on personal income.
I wasn't talking only about personal incomes. He stands to raise taxes and put other burdens directly on businesses too. That is where the issue will be in forcing them overseas.

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Want some cheese with that WHINE!!!!!


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said by ArrayList:

considering that I don't pay income taxes(disabled vet pulling disability while I go to school on the post 9/11 GI bill »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-9/11_ ··· _of_2008) i dont give a rats ass about raising taxes. so if thats what it takes to get more competition in the broadband markets then by all means bring it on!
You might someday if you ever end up working and paying taxes.
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clickie8

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reply to nasadude
They are not illegal. These are Part-15 devices and require no licensing.

clickie8

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reply to ropeguru
As opposed to the system now of redistributing wealth from people yet unborn to people living now.

That's exactly why deficits matter.

You're naive if you think your taxes are not going up; there's trillions of dollars to be paid back. Where do you think the money is going to come from? You, that's who. They'll get it two ways by either taxing you directly, or inflating the money supply and stealth taxing you through inflation.


MrMoody
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reply to nasadude
said by nasadude:

of course the people using wireless mics don't pose a threat to NAB's business like widespread, affordable broadband would.
How does broadband compete with the NAB members' FREE, AD-SUPPORTED service? They are genuinely concerned with interference and loss of spectrum, and with good reason.

As far as widespread, affordable broadband goes, this will only be it if you define broadband as wireless dialup. At best it will be a much larger area version of an open WiFi point on a university campus. It will have thousands of users crowded onto a few dozen Mb of available bandwidth. At worst, it will be another overcrowded WiFi with more range (bad), with everyone using it to try to create private links to their office, their buddy's house, etc.

And if the cheap devices don't interfere right out of the box (likely), hackers will see to it that they do by using high-gain antennas, boosting power and forcing operation on interfering channels.

WiMAX is far better, capable of serving broadband to all users and can serve the same purpose WSDs supposedly will.

WSDs have too much likelihood of causing unsolvable problems; we CANNOT allow them.
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reply to ArrayList
said by ArrayList:

considering that I don't pay income taxes(disabled vet pulling disability while I go to school on the post 9/11 GI bill »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-9/11_ ··· _of_2008) i dont give a rats ass about raising taxes. so if thats what it takes to get more competition in the broadband markets then by all means bring it on!
Interesting, I was thinking that instead of raising taxes we could just make some of these sorry, so called disabled people and some of these lazy adults hiding in school ( that don't know how to use apostrophes ) get out and go to work and contribute to society, instead of just sitting around sucking it dry, then we wouldn't have to ever raise taxes. Since I'm neither I think that would be a grand solution!


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reply to ropeguru
said by ropeguru:

said by ArrayList:

said by nasadude:

...widespread, affordable broadband...
what? you have to be kidding...
Not at all... Once Obama is elected, taxes will go up so he can redistribute wealth bring broadband to all.
Unlike McCain right? I mean in order to give people too "poor" to get their own health insurance a $5000 government check for health insurance he's going to tax the insurance premiums of those that currently get their insurance through their job. Not only is that redistributing wealth it's also a tax hike on WORKING Americans. But go ahead and bash Obama.


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said by clickie8:

They are not illegal. These are Part-15 devices and require no licensing.
Incorrect. Part 15 specifically excludes the TV bands. Microphones in the TV bands technically require a license, which the FCC has not been enforcing because no one complains.

Their very narrow bandwidth signal, low power, the facts that (up until DTV) it was easy to set them to an unused channel and they aren't generally used in residential areas, all mean TV interference was minimal.

None of this is true of WSDs except the low power (until the WSD is hacked, amplified or connected to a high-gain antenna).
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DavePR

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Re: Nice choice of spokesperson

Why do you assume Dolly Parton is stupid? She seems to have done quite well for herself.


NetAdmin1
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said by DavePR:

Why do you assume Dolly Parton is stupid? She seems to have done quite well for herself.
Money and success does not always equal intelligence, as demonstrated by Britney Spears, Lindsay Lohan, Paris Hilton, Michael Jackson... The list goes on. There are plenty of clueless people out there with money and/or fame. But that is neither here nor there, as that was not my point.

My point is that Dolly Parton lacks the qualifications to make a sound argument for or against White Space Devices. Her opinion on the issue is worth about as much as the average Joe's opinion on the issue. And her statements should have NO bearing on policy decisions made at the FCC. It breaks down to her using her position as a public figure to expound on something that she doesn't have the qualifications to be talking about.
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that's not a picture of Dolly

that's an dolly impersonator. cripes.