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Comments on news posted 2008-10-31 12:06:39: Verizon is in the process of migrating their FiOS network from BPON to GPON (Gigabit Passive Optical Network) fiber technology. Their current BPON technology splits 622Mbps downstream and 155Mbps upstream among 32 users. ..


S_engineer
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Verizon take note.....

We're awaiting your fiber in the midwest
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Re: Verizon take note.....

Yes, we here in chicago land need some sort of competition.

Wipe the streets with Comcrap and "WOW this sucks".(But at least WOW does not throttle traffic, they still use Nebuad.)

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We're awaiting your fiber in the midwest
oh yes. yes indeed we are.

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Re: Verizon take note.....

Heck we're waiting for it in San Diego, even though at and t is here, but 40 miles up and we got verizon territory with deployed fios. Sucks to be us.

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i'm confused...

is GPON another name for interracial lesbians? Just trying to figure out what the picture caption has to do with this.

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said by inteller:

is GPON another name for interracial lesbians? Just trying to figure out what the picture caption has to do with this.

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is GPON another name for interracial lesbians? Just trying to figure out what the picture caption has to do with this.

No, it for a menage-a-trois (read the caption - a triple play ).

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is GPON another name for interracial lesbians? Just trying to figure out what the picture caption has to do with this.
I don't know what GPON is, but I like it.

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said by inteller:

is GPON another name for interracial lesbians? Just trying to figure out what the picture caption has to do with this.
Obviously they are enjoying watching Lifetime and IFC on their GPON-fed TV service.

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said by inteller:

is GPON another name for interracial lesbians? Just trying to figure out what the picture caption has to do with this.
And how exactly do you come up with that from the picture?

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How dare they!

quote:
Even Verizon admits that 100Mbps and faster speeds are little more than marketing fodder right now. Most people don't need that type of bandwidth unless they're funneling scientific data to and from their own personal observatory.
Thats blasphemy if the people who frequent this site have anything to say about it. As we all know (from the constant whining of people here) every person in America is demanding a 1Gbps connection right now.

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said by wifi4milez:
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Most people don't need that type of bandwidth unless they're funneling scientific data to and from their own personal observatory.
Thats blasphemy if the people who frequent this site have anything to say about it.
While I would agree that few would need to tie up that kind of bandwidth continuously, it WOULD be nice to be able to transfer an HD movie in minutes instead of hours.

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said by MrMoody:
said by wifi4milez:
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Most people don't need that type of bandwidth unless they're funneling scientific data to and from their own personal observatory.
Thats blasphemy if the people who frequent this site have anything to say about it.
While I would agree that few would need to tie up that kind of bandwidth continuously, it WOULD be nice to be able to transfer an HD movie in minutes instead of hours.
Well that would only be possible if the other side also had a 1Gbps connection. Remember, downloading/uploading files is only as fast as the slowest link.

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Re: How dare they!

You have to start somewhere.
And whats you infatuation with the KGB, are you a happy commie?

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said by S_engineer:

You have to start somewhere.
And whats you infatuation with the KGB, are you a happy commie?
Clearly my many years of posting communist and socialist viewpoints on this website makes that an easy assumption to make.

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havent read many of your posts...I was looking at the signiture... doesn't that mean KGB ?

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said by S_engineer:

havent read many of your posts...I was looking at the signiture... doesn't that mean KGB ?
Yes it certainly does, however dont be fooled by my facetious response to your earlier question.

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said by wifi4milez:

Well that would only be possible if the other side also had a 1Gbps connection. Remember, downloading/uploading files is only as fast as the slowest link.
Or the transfer is via BT so that the peers doing the sending have their uplink bandwidth added together.

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Well that would only be possible if the other side also had a 1Gbps connection. Remember, downloading/uploading files is only as fast as the slowest link.
Or the transfer is via BT so that the peers doing the sending have their uplink bandwidth added together.
We are talking legal uses here.

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BT transfers are illegal in NY? Sheeesh!

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BT transfers are illegal in NY? Sheeesh!
Yes, as they are everywhere else in this country. For further proof feel free to ask any of the hundreds (thousands?) of people who have been sued and taken to court over the offense. Now of course I am only talking about file transfers of copyrighted content, but you already knew that.

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Yes, as they are everywhere else in this country. For further proof feel free to ask any of the hundreds (thousands?) of people who have been sued and taken to court over the offense. Now of course I am only talking about file transfers of copyrighted content, but you already knew that.
Well, they conducted file transfers. So file transfers are illegal? They used the TCP protocol, so that's automatically associated with illegal behavior? In fact, everyone using BT uses the Internet! So....

BT, is, in fact, legal. It's not only legal, it's great. It solves many problems.

Another example. Video on the web grew from the porn industry, an industry that has always skirted on the edge of the law and/or morality. But we technical people ignored that aspect of it and after years of refinement, now video on the net is mainstream and efficient (I don't think we network types transport it very efficiently, but that's another topic).

Don't disregard a technology just because you don't like how it's sometimes used.

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said by funchords:
said by wifi4milez:

Yes, as they are everywhere else in this country. For further proof feel free to ask any of the hundreds (thousands?) of people who have been sued and taken to court over the offense. Now of course I am only talking about file transfers of copyrighted content, but you already knew that.
Well, they conducted file transfers. So file transfers are illegal? They used the TCP protocol, so that's automatically associated with illegal behavior? In fact, everyone using BT uses the Internet! So....

BT, is, in fact, legal. It's not only legal, it's great. It solves many problems.

Another example. Video on the web grew from the porn industry, an industry that has always skirted on the edge of the law and/or morality. But we technical people ignored that aspect of it and after years of refinement, now video on the net is mainstream and efficient (I don't think we network types transport it very efficiently, but that's another topic).

Don't disregard a technology just because you don't like how it's sometimes used.
Now I never said BT was illegal, dont attempt to twist my words around. You and I both know its not the technology that is in question; its what people use it for that makes it illegal. I absolutely agree that P2P has legitimate uses, however as we all know (and has been mentioned here many times) the vast majority of P2P traffic is pirating of copyrighted content.

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said by wifi4milez:

Now I never said BT was illegal, dont attempt to twist my words around.
No twisting needed.
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BT transfers are illegal in NY? Sheeesh!
Yes, as they are everywhere else in this country.

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No twisting needed.

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Now I never said BT was illegal, dont attempt to twist my words around.
No twisting needed.
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said by funchords:
BT transfers are illegal in NY? Sheeesh!
Yes, as they are everywhere else in this country.
A good attempt at humor, however you neglected to include the following sentence that clarified my statement. I will provide it for you now in case you dont want to go back and read it again.
said by wifi4milez:

Now of course I am only talking about file transfers of copyrighted content, but you already knew that.
Feel free to try again however!
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technically he said that BT was legal, but using BT is illegal, but nice catch (going along with the whole digital to tangible object analogy it would be like collecting some weapons, you can have them, but don't dare try doing anything more that looking at them). i thought he also said BT was illegal and then i read the part of 'i never said that'.

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Yes, as they are everywhere else in this country. For further proof feel free to ask any of the hundreds (thousands?) of people who have been sued and taken to court over the offense.
Maybe hundreds have been sued but only a couple were taken to court. None were for using bittorrent.
Now of course I am only talking about file transfers of copyrighted content, but you already knew that.
World of Warcraft updates are copyrighted content transferred by bittorrent, but legal. Try again to correctly describe the illegal behavior. Hint: Bittorrent is not part of the description.

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bittorrent is legal. sometimes.

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Well that would only be possible if the other side also had a 1Gbps connection. Remember, downloading/uploading files is only as fast as the slowest link.
Or the transfer is via BT so that the peers doing the sending have their uplink bandwidth added together.
We are talking legal uses here.
BT Usage != Illegal Usage.

All I stated was that use of BT can group the uplink bandwidth into a larger download pipe. I say NOTHING about the content of the BT session being used.

How does the question of if the use of BT is legal, illegal, or both (depending on what is being transferred) have to do with the ability to download faster then the speed of a peer at the other end (which is what I was responding to - ie: A claim that you can download no faster than the source is sending by pointing out that with BT you have more than one source feeding your download link)?

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Remember, downloading/uploading files is only as fast as the slowest link.
Not quite as true when local caches or multiple sources are involved. Take yesterday's 700 MB Ubuntu 8.10 release -- you could get it at 1 MB/s via P2P but no faster than about 150 KB/s from most mirrors.

The Chinese are doing something called P2SP which essentially is a multi-sourced server-based transfer (the file you want is hosted on several servers, all of which are feeding you a portion). It's amazingly fast and the concept can be taken to a next level that makes it avoid congested routes and add uncongested routes.
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Re: How dare they!

sounds a lot like a more centralized p2p scheme. it certainly solves the problem of low seeders with lots of leechers. this also sounds like nothing new at all. i've used various 'download managers' that use multiple connections to various mirrors to download a file.

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The hope is that someday you won't be tieing up bandwidth at all.

When your computer processor is running at 99%, nothing works very well. Networks behave similarly. You want that needle at 99% as little as possible.

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Even Verizon admits that 100Mbps and faster speeds are little more than marketing fodder right now. Most people don't need that type of bandwidth unless they're funneling scientific data to and from their own personal observatory.
AT&T and the rest of them, are all running around trying to figure out what hit them. Verizon is going to leave them in the dust. Even now the BellHeads at AT&T are still thinking Copper was the wise decision!

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Thats blasphemy if the people who frequent this site have anything to say about it.
you would be more believable if current broadband offerings in the states were 10M up and down. instead, we have pathetic offerings such as 768k down and 128k up.

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Give me 10Mbps symmetric and I'll be happy for a long time.

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Verizon, you're so awesome.

Maybe by the time Verizon offers 100/100 in the future AT&T will give u-verse users the whole 25/2 pipe for internet. :3

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Re: Verizon, you're so awesome.

i thought the entire point was for AT&T to give users their "pipe"

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Maybe by the time Verizon offers 100/100 in the future AT&T will give u-verse users the whole 25/2 pipe for internet. :3
and cox will offer 5mbps upload to their subs in havenot areas.
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It would be used.

If they give it, we will use it.
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lol

The problem is servers to handle the speed. I have a 30/5 connection from cablevision and i can barely even find servers that give me half that speed. (microsoft i think is the only one).

This is good for verizons future but means nothing to us today.

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sniping customers in competitive markets

still, in 2008, you can buy cablemodem 15/2 with cablevision as part of a triple play for $29.95 or dual play (with phone) for business at the same rate. at this price, Verizon can't touch that price... nor do they want to... the best they'd do is about $12 higher. (this is NY metro area). they can shove the 100/X you know where until they can get their prices for their services much lower than they are today. there is no "killer" application for 50mbit speeds much less 100mbit. until that becomes possible in the customer's psyche, it's just a marketing ploy for customers. look what we're going to provide in the future, if you subscribe to our overpriced services... and since it sort of works in their wireless marketing, they think they can duplicate that success in FIOS?
think again...

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well

If this starts appearing in a few years, I would hope they can push America towards competitively catching up with the world as far as bandwidth. (50, 100Mbps connections to the home being the standard, Yay Asia!)

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Wait, what?

Verizon is in the process of migrating their FiOS network from BPON to GPON (Gigabit Passive Optical Network) fiber technology.
Are you sure that's the correct phrasing?

They've been deploying GPON in new builds since 2007, but how can it make sense for them to already start retrofitting when they haven't even hit the limits of BPON yet, especially when it requires costly revisits to swap customer ONTs?
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Re: Wait, what?

That's true. My CO was already BPON and they're continuing to expand it. I don't think they'll be upgrading it any time soon. Maybe they're just getting rid of whatever old equipment they have left.

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Agreed it is phrased badly.

GPON is only being rolled out in NEW builds. Their existing FiOS BPON network will remain on BPON until it hits its limits.

There's no way Verizon is going to all of a sudden replace their whole BPON network to GPON the moment it becomes available. BPON builds will only be replaced with GPON if speed tiers above 100mbps become available - if that.

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TV

Yikes a dupe
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Hi,
Besides the obvious implications for faster internet. What could GPON bring to the table for TV and other services?
Lee

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There isn't that much room for improvement in conventional telephone and TV. The Internet is the future. The 'net will be used to deliver future video and telephone services -- ultimately, I expect POTS and cable-style TV to fall away. The general-purpose nature of the Internet means that no matter how much bandwidth you have, new applications will appear to take advantage of it.

Verizon is already delivering 100+ channels of HD, and there's little more bandwidth available for TV without changing out the equipment, and going to non-standard frequencies.

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This is just plain sad. I have TWC "turbo" in rtp NC and can't get more than 420 kbps upload and all of 10 HD channels. What is TW's problem??
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While 1 person might not be able to/find a server to "max your speed", yourself, spouse, and kids add up in bandwidth usage.