Nightwchtr
join:2001-09-10
Falls Church, VA
 ·Verizon FIOS
1 edit | No Alternative's?
There is always an alternative, you can drop them altogether. Get a group of people in your area and drop them. Hopefully that would help change there policy on cap plans . I know it sucks not to have any internet but its a heck of a lot better than getting screwed over. Sometimes fighting back is the only option. |
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major marco
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join:2003-02-13
Stepford, CA
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| said by Nightwchtr  :There is always an alternative, you can drop them altogether. Get a group of people in your area and drop them. Hopefully that would help change there policy on cap plans . I know it sucks not to have any internet but its a heck of a lot better than getting screwed over. Sometimes fighting back is the only option. Ahem. Allow me to spare this topic an additional 25 comments by consolidating all the arguments in favor of caps.
It's for your own good you high consumption user, you. Everyone knows that anyone who downloads over 5 gigs/month must be a pirate downloading "illegal" material. Besides, you don't really need more than 5 gigs because all you're really supposed to be doing with your Internet connection is checking email and reading the weather. You don't need to be doing anything else unless your government/MAFIAA/ISP tells you that you need it. Additionally, it's Frontiers network, not yours, so you can just get service elsewhere if you don't like their policy. They're just managing their network. /sarcasm
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sousademiami
join:2003-02-04
Hialeah, FL | reply to Nightwchtr
The problem is that the number of people who would actually drop will easily be made up for by the huge profits they will net from the remaining customers.
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pnh102
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
 ·Comcast
| reply to Nightwchtr
said by Nightwchtr :There is always an alternative, you can drop them altogether. Get a group of people in your area and drop them. That really is all you can do. I've always considered Internet with ridiculously low caps to be the equivalent of a tool I cannot use. When AT&T lowered the monthly cap on my cell phone Internet, I dropped that too.
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pbarrow
Premium
join:2003-09-16
Montgomery, AL
| Frontier Confirms Cap Plans
Does the quote mean that if no one goes over the caps that they will lose money and go bankrupt?
What a crock.
It doesn't cost moeny to transfer data. It only cost money to tun the equipment whether there is data flow over the network or not.
They (ISP's) are all just a bunch of crooks like those fools on Wall Street and those big Banks.
I would dearly like to see Broadband nationalized and pay my monthy rate to the government as non-profit - to keep the infrastructure up to date and maintained and just put all the private ISP out of business (unless they wan't to subcontract to the Gov to run/maintaingeographic area but have NO control over pricing or anything else). |
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CraigBee
join:2004-07-23
Overland Park, KS
| I would be afraid to be a Frontier Customer
I would be afraid to be a Frontier DSL customer. What if someone with a high speed connection, like FIOS or in Japan and Korea, went here »ws.arin.net/whois/?queryinput=!%20FRTR and looked up the Frontier IP addresses for a random Frontier DSL customers and then just sent data to your IP address all day at 1mbps? By my math, that would be about 250GB in a month. Then I would get a bill for thousands of dollars even though I didn't do anything. How will Frontier protect customers from all the dangerous high bandwidth users in the world? |
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL
·Comcast
| reply to pnh102
Re: No Alternative's?
You know, this is inevitable. I don't believe for a minute that this is to relieve congestion as much as I believe it's designed to raise revenue. The tipping point in business where their market reaches saturation point, and they have to come up with new revenues to keep their numbers up. Once their numbers freefall because their consumer starts to leave, then the panic contingency happens. Outsourcing, layoffs, service cuts, increased fees can all be expected at the end of this cycle.
Then the restart of the cycle, the attempted image makeover (e.g. Sprint). The question I see is where is this company located in this cycle?
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TKJunkMail
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·Comcast
| reply to CraigBee
Re: I would be afraid to be a Frontier Customer
said by CraigBee :I would be afraid to be a Frontier DSL customer. What if someone with a high speed connection, like FIOS or in Japan and Korea, went here » ws.arin.net/whois/?queryinput=!%20FRTR and looked up the Frontier IP addresses for a random Frontier DSL customers and then just sent data to your IP address all day at 1mbps? By my math, that would be about 250GB in a month. Then I would get a bill for thousands of dollars even though I didn't do anything. How will Frontier protect customers from all the dangerous high bandwidth users in the world? 1st, why would they do that? And 2nd, you contact Frontier and tell them that someone has initiated a DOS attack against your IP. And 3rd, Frontier will be making available a tool to check bandwidth use throughout the month and you could see if someone was doing that.
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AVonGauss
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join:2007-11-01
Boynton Beach, FL
| His example may not be the best, but the concern I would say is very real when you are talking about such paltry offerings with such high overages. The availability of such a meter is (should be) a requirement, but the expectation that a customer will monitor that meter daily is not realistic. For real world comparisons, look at cellular data charges, cellular minutes (read: parents and teenagers) or even your own ATM transactions. While most people do eventually realize the fraudulent ATM transactions on their own even if their bank does not contact them, it is usually after a fair amount of transaction have already occurred. |
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bender
Bite my shiny metal ass
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join:2005-03-19
Evanston, IL
clubs:
·T-Mobile US
 ·Vonage
·AT&T U-Verse
 ·AT&T Midwest
·Mediacom
| i could not agree more. these usage based plans have so much flaw in their design that it is just asking for problems. i can't wait to see what the first DoS attack against an entire block of ip addresses gets a bunch of customers over their quota and nets the ISP a huge profit.
these kinds of plans are so ugly that it really makes me sick whenever i think of how they could be abused.
another example:
lets say that someone with stock in a major bell company decides to add a little revenue regularly to said company. all they would have to do is send massive ammounts of data (using botnets maybe?) to said bell companies customers ip blocks. across the board overages. not that the isp would care. they would just send the bill with the overages. maybe giving customers a comp whenever they would call in and complain about it. and thats a big maybe there. |
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Logan 5
Wondering what happens next..
Premium,MVM
join:2001-05-25
The WasteLAN
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| reply to TKJunkMail
said by TKJunkMail :Frontier will be making available a tool to check bandwidth use throughout the month and you could see if someone was doing that. And, an you tell me with a straight face that you *really* believe that this program will find 100% immediate adaptability and be used in all the homes of their customers? and even if it somehow is, how can the customers be made to actually use it? Will it's usage be monitored or enforced like the caps?
No.
They WILL instead see the inevitable "I didn't know my [insert name] was [downloading/uploading] [insert type of content], so please don't charge me an extra [insert overage $$$ amount] this month. I cant afford to pay this because [insert excuse why] I *REALLY* need my internet to [insert reason why service needs to be kept on]"....
It looks like their legal department will be getting a workout
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bjbrock
join:2002-10-28
Mcalester, OK
| Commercial vs. Residential.
Will caps be the same for both type services?
We have two new branch offices that use Frontier. We pull data backups down every night. We will definitely blow a 5GB cap. 5GB is totally ridiculous.
Monday morning I start checking into using a different provider. Cable will be the alternative. I've actually been pleased with Comcast's services where we have them. Maybe Comcast will be the cable provider at these two locations.
At any rate, 5GB simply won't do so bye bye Frontier. |
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spewak
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join:2001-08-07
Elk Grove, CA
·SureWest Internet
·FrontierNet Intern..
| To Quote:
"Wilderotter said Frontier was looking at providing higher monthly limits, perhaps 20 gigabytes per month, in more urban markets like Rochester and Elk Grove, Calif., where usage is higher than rural areas."
Cannot speak for Rochester, but here in Elk Grove, Calif., the only reason Frontier is contemplating higher caps is due to the fact that Comcast and Surewest are kicking their sorry asses back to the stone ages. It's all good though, that sheit of a company is still just that: SHEIT!
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
·Comcast
·Qwest.net
·magicjack.com
·BeeCreek Communica..
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
| Heh, so basically where they have competition they'll have higher (10, 20, 50 GB) limits, everywhere else people are stuck with 5GB. Pa-freaking-thetic. Anyone have the numbers for their plan costs? Might be a nice market for a budding WiSP to come into...could steal 100% of customers lol |
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koolman2
Premium
join:2002-10-01
Anchorage, AK
·GCI.net
| reply to pbarrow
Re: Frontier Confirms Cap Plans
It doesn't cost money to transfer data, but it does cost money to upgrade the network to handle more throughput. The average throughput on a normal network is increasing steadily.
5 GB is a really tiny cap. Unless the base service cost is also lowering a lot (read: to about $10), and the cost per gig over is small (50¢ at most), I don't see this flying with many customers. 50 GB is fine for my use, but I'm not on their network so it doesn't matter. |
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SKova
@rr.com | That is why I left a in Aug
Left them in Aug when this first came up and ended up with a better deal. Glad I did now. |
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Sammer
join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA
1 edit | reply to spewak
Re: To Quote:
The fact they are even contemplating higher caps in some areas than others (for competitive reasons) means they know their proposed cap is ridiculously low. This is entirely about Frontier acting monopolistically to increase revenues and has absolutely nothing to do with network management. |
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Sammer
join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA
| reply to bjbrock
Re: Commercial vs. Residential.
said by bjbrock :We have two new branch offices that use Frontier. We pull data backups down every night. We will definitely blow a 5GB cap. 5GB is totally ridiculous. Some business practices call out for government regulation and since what Frontier is doing might be considered "restraint of trade" it is one of them. |
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atigerman
join:2002-01-19
Tigerton, WI
1 edit | reply to koolman2
Re: Frontier Confirms Cap Plans
said by koolman2 : (50¢ at most), I don't see this flying with many customers. I was told by a regional manager it would be like one dollar a gig |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
| reply to Logan 5
Re: I would be afraid to be a Frontier Customer
ISPs can easily enable page redirects displaying current bandwidth usage stats and/or enable browser pop-ups when customers reach predefined criteria, e.g. when you reach 80% of your monthly cap. ISPs can also relatively easily place customers into a walled garden until they customers acknowledge they are going over the limit and additional charges will apply. It's not hard to "force" customers to use a tool. It will be much more difficult to educate customers how the news caps will limit their service similar to cell phone plans. |
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