1 edit | No Alternative's? There is always an alternative, you can drop them altogether. Get a group of people in your area and drop them. Hopefully that would help change there policy on cap plans . I know it sucks not to have any internet but its a heck of a lot better than getting screwed over. Sometimes fighting back is the only option. | |
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 |  major marcoRes Firma Mitescere NescitPremium
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Stepford, CA | Re: No Alternative's? said by Nightwchtr:There is always an alternative, you can drop them altogether. Get a group of people in your area and drop them. Hopefully that would help change there policy on cap plans . I know it sucks not to have any internet but its a heck of a lot better than getting screwed over. Sometimes fighting back is the only option. Ahem. Allow me to spare this topic an additional 25 comments by consolidating all the arguments in favor of caps.
It's for your own good you high consumption user, you. Everyone knows that anyone who downloads over 5 gigs/month must be a pirate downloading "illegal" material. Besides, you don't really need more than 5 gigs because all you're really supposed to be doing with your Internet connection is checking email and reading the weather. You don't need to be doing anything else unless your government/MAFIAA/ISP tells you that you need it. Additionally, it's Frontiers network, not yours, so you can just get service elsewhere if you don't like their policy. They're just managing their network. /sarcasm
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Riverside, CA | Re: No Alternative's? said by major marco:said by Nightwchtr:There is always an alternative, you can drop them altogether. Get a group of people in your area and drop them. Hopefully that would help change there policy on cap plans . I know it sucks not to have any internet but its a heck of a lot better than getting screwed over. Sometimes fighting back is the only option. Ahem. Allow me to spare this topic an additional 25 comments by consolidating all the arguments in favor of caps. It's for your own good you high consumption user, you. Everyone knows that anyone who downloads over 5 gigs/month must be a pirate downloading "illegal" material. Besides, you don't really need more than 5 gigs because all you're really supposed to be doing with your Internet connection is checking email and reading the weather. You don't need to be doing anything else unless your government/MAFIAA/ISP tells you that you need it. Additionally, it's Frontiers network, not yours, so you can just get service elsewhere if you don't like their policy. They're just managing their network. /sarcasm Wow what a F@G... 5GB cap lol I rape that with my cell phone. 5GB for computer usuage...
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3 edits | said by major marco:Ahem. Allow me to spare this topic an additional 25 comments by consolidating all the arguments in favor of caps. It's for your own good you high consumption user, you. Everyone knows that anyone who downloads over 5 gigs/month must be a pirate downloading "illegal" material. Besides, you don't really need more than 5 gigs because all you're really supposed to be doing with your Internet connection is checking email and reading the weather. You don't need to be doing anything else unless your government/MAFIAA/ISP tells you that you need it. Additionally, it's Frontiers network, not yours, so you can just get service elsewhere if you don't like their policy. They're just managing their network. /sarcasm You have an exception grasp of the key bullet points that HSI providers expunge in their arguments.  You wouldn't work for Charter Miscommunications would you? 
Seriously though 5GB OUCH! And here I thought that 100GB with Charter on plans 16M or lower was bad.
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Mount Airy, MD | said by Nightwchtr:There is always an alternative, you can drop them altogether. Get a group of people in your area and drop them. That really is all you can do. I've always considered Internet with ridiculously low caps to be the equivalent of a tool I cannot use. When AT&T lowered the monthly cap on my cell phone Internet, I dropped that too.
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Then the restart of the cycle, the attempted image makeover (e.g. Sprint). The question I see is where is this company located in this cycle?
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Middletown, NY | Re: No Alternative's? said by S_engineer: The tipping point in business where their market reaches saturation point.... They would not be saturated in my area if rather than milk the existing infrastructure for pure profit they upgraded their equipment to compete with cable. Who wants 1.5mb/256kb ADSL ,POTS and Dish vs triple play cable at better than 4 times the speed? | |
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| KearnstdElf WizardPremium
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kudos:1 | Frontier Confirms Cap Plans Does the quote mean that if no one goes over the caps that they will lose money and go bankrupt?
What a crock.
It doesn't cost moeny to transfer data. It only cost money to tun the equipment whether there is data flow over the network or not.
They (ISP's) are all just a bunch of crooks like those fools on Wall Street and those big Banks.
I would dearly like to see Broadband nationalized and pay my monthy rate to the government as non-profit - to keep the infrastructure up to date and maintained and just put all the private ISP out of business (unless they wan't to subcontract to the Gov to run/maintaingeographic area but have NO control over pricing or anything else). | |
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Anchorage, AK | Re: Frontier Confirms Cap Plans It doesn't cost money to transfer data, but it does cost money to upgrade the network to handle more throughput. The average throughput on a normal network is increasing steadily.
5 GB is a really tiny cap. Unless the base service cost is also lowering a lot (read: to about $10), and the cost per gig over is small (50¢ at most), I don't see this flying with many customers. 50 GB is fine for my use, but I'm not on their network so it doesn't matter. | |
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Colorado Springs, CO | Re: Frontier Confirms Cap Plans Nice when they pay in many cases less than 5 cents per gig. | |
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Overland Park, KS | I would be afraid to be a Frontier Customer I would be afraid to be a Frontier DSL customer. What if someone with a high speed connection, like FIOS or in Japan and Korea, went here »ws.arin.net/whois/?queryinput=!%20FRTR and looked up the Frontier IP addresses for a random Frontier DSL customers and then just sent data to your IP address all day at 1mbps? By my math, that would be about 250GB in a month. Then I would get a bill for thousands of dollars even though I didn't do anything. How will Frontier protect customers from all the dangerous high bandwidth users in the world? | |
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Boynton Beach, FL | Re: I would be afraid to be a Frontier Customer His example may not be the best, but the concern I would say is very real when you are talking about such paltry offerings with such high overages. The availability of such a meter is (should be) a requirement, but the expectation that a customer will monitor that meter daily is not realistic. For real world comparisons, look at cellular data charges, cellular minutes (read: parents and teenagers) or even your own ATM transactions. While most people do eventually realize the fraudulent ATM transactions on their own even if their bank does not contact them, it is usually after a fair amount of transaction have already occurred. | |
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kudos:2 | said by AVonGauss:but the expectation that a customer will monitor that meter daily is not realistic. Do you look at your electric meter or your water meter daily? The concept of monitoring your bandwidth usage and paying for usage is no different. If customers are concerned about maintaining costs for electricity, water, broadband, cell phones, ATM transactions, etc., they will take appropriate action. | |
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Albany, CA | Re: I would be afraid to be a Frontier Customer said by openbox9:Do you look at your electric meter or your water meter daily? The concept of monitoring your bandwidth usage and paying for usage is no different. If customers are concerned about maintaining costs for electricity, water, broadband, cell phones, ATM transactions, etc., they will take appropriate action. Nice try.
No, I do not look at my electric meter daily. However, I know that if I keep my light on it uses a (more of less) fixed amount of electricity per second. Same with most of the items that use electricity in my home. This and other highly predictable factors in electricity use means I can tell you with extreme confidence that my electric bill will be in the $90/mo range during the summer, $80/mo in the winter.
However, when I load up a web page, I have no idea how much bandwidth will be used. I could load up BBR one hour and it will use x amount of bandwidth and then reload it in 30 mins and it will use y amount of bandwidth. Multiply that uncertainty by a couple thousand web page visits for the month and multiply it again by the number of folks (PCs) in your household and soon a household will have no idea how much bandwidth they are consuming.
PLUS, add in a xbox360, Wii, two smart phones with wifi, a PS3, a DVR connected to the router and whatever else and then it really gets ugly.
Bandwidth is more akin to cell phone usage. Like bandwidth, I have no idea how many minutes I will be using per month because of the nature of communication (largely unpredictable). I can predict my water and electricity on the other hand with virtually pinpoint accuracy. It pretty much follows a strict seasonal pattern. The unpredictability of cell phone usage is what prompts me to buy a 1000 min plan even tho my cell usage ranges from nil to close to 1000 min per month.
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kudos:2 | Re: I would be afraid to be a Frontier Customer I agree that bandwidth consumption is akin to cell phone usage, hence why I included it in my statement. The fact of the matter remains, if consumers are concerned about consumption, they will determine an effective means to monitor that consumption.
I also agree that Frontier's relatively low cap number being thrown around are questionable. The same can be said for TWC's numbers. The proof is in the pudding and we'll see what happens when these companies make official announcements and roll out their plans. | |
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Silver Springs, NY | ...and to make matters worse, there cap is based on your download AND upload usage. | |
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What action do you suspect they take? I would grab a baseball bat and goto the headquarters and tell the secretary that the head CEO's got 1 min before I break down the door. Either you will goto jail or solve the problem, more than likely goto jail but its a good way to *try* to solve said problem . Especially if you have the whole town with baseball bats....the CEO will probably listen to their demands  .
In reality, if 1 person is fed up with it...more than likely there are others, so what you do is get enough people together to drop the service where they can't afford their (frontier) bills. If you don't want to do that, then tough, put up with your crappy service. Money does talk. | |
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kudos:4 | Re: I would be afraid to be a Frontier Customer said by k1ll3rdr4g0n:said by openbox9:said by AVonGauss:but the expectation that a customer will monitor that meter daily is not realistic. Do you look at your electric meter or your water meter daily? The concept of monitoring your bandwidth usage and paying for usage is no different. If customers are concerned about maintaining costs for electricity, water, broadband, cell phones, ATM transactions, etc., they will take appropriate action. What would you do if after using x kilowatts of electricity your charge/ kilowatt goes up by 100% I'll be you will be keeping a close eye on your meter. SRP and APS in AZ both do that. you get the first 2000kwh at one rate, go over that and you pay more per kwh.
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kudos:2 | said by k1ll3rdr4g0n:Do you pay overage if you go over x gallons? Sure I do. I pay a base fee for my water and then pay per quantity used above that.said by k1ll3rdr4g0n:What would you do if after using x kilowatts of electricity your charge/ kilowatt goes up by 100% I'll be you will be keeping a close eye on your meter. My electrical company charges a base rate and then charges rates based on quantity of kWh used. Different kWh used are charged at different rates. I believe this to be a fairly common practice, so you may want to look at your utility bills.Best advice one can give. Voting with your wallet is the best way for you to communicate with your ISP (or any business for that matter) about how you feel about their service. | |
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Austin, TX
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| said by fAcEtIOUs:Frontier will be making available a tool to check bandwidth use throughout the month and you could see if someone was doing that. And, an you tell me with a straight face that you *really* believe that this program will find 100% immediate adaptability and be used in all the homes of their customers? and even if it somehow is, how can the customers be made to actually use it? Will it's usage be monitored or enforced like the caps?
No.
They WILL instead see the inevitable "I didn't know my [insert name] was [downloading/uploading] [insert type of content], so please don't charge me an extra [insert overage $$$ amount] this month. I cant afford to pay this because [insert excuse why] I *REALLY* need my internet to [insert reason why service needs to be kept on]"....
It looks like their legal department will be getting a workout
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kudos:2 | Re: I would be afraid to be a Frontier Customer ISPs can easily enable page redirects displaying current bandwidth usage stats and/or enable browser pop-ups when customers reach predefined criteria, e.g. when you reach 80% of your monthly cap. ISPs can also relatively easily place customers into a walled garden until they customers acknowledge they are going over the limit and additional charges will apply. It's not hard to "force" customers to use a tool. It will be much more difficult to educate customers how the news caps will limit their service similar to cell phone plans. | |
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Mcalester, OK | Commercial vs. Residential. Will caps be the same for both type services?
We have two new branch offices that use Frontier. We pull data backups down every night. We will definitely blow a 5GB cap. 5GB is totally ridiculous.
Monday morning I start checking into using a different provider. Cable will be the alternative. I've actually been pleased with Comcast's services where we have them. Maybe Comcast will be the cable provider at these two locations.
At any rate, 5GB simply won't do so bye bye Frontier. | |
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Canonsburg, PA | Re: Commercial vs. Residential. said by bjbrock:We have two new branch offices that use Frontier. We pull data backups down every night. We will definitely blow a 5GB cap. 5GB is totally ridiculous. Some business practices call out for government regulation and since what Frontier is doing might be considered "restraint of trade" it is one of them. | |
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kudos:21 | I believe Frontier has stated that their business class service will not have any caps. We'll have to see what else they spit out. | |
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| To Quote: "Wilderotter said Frontier was looking at providing higher monthly limits, perhaps 20 gigabytes per month, in more urban markets like Rochester and Elk Grove, Calif., where usage is higher than rural areas."
Cannot speak for Rochester, but here in Elk Grove, Calif., the only reason Frontier is contemplating higher caps is due to the fact that Comcast and Surewest are kicking their sorry asses back to the stone ages. It's all good though, that sheit of a company is still just that: SHEIT!
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| Re: To Quote: Heh, so basically where they have competition they'll have higher (10, 20, 50 GB) limits, everywhere else people are stuck with 5GB. Pa-freaking-thetic. Anyone have the numbers for their plan costs? Might be a nice market for a budding WiSP to come into...could steal 100% of customers lol | |
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1 edit | The fact they are even contemplating higher caps in some areas than others (for competitive reasons) means they know their proposed cap is ridiculously low. This is entirely about Frontier acting monopolistically to increase revenues and has absolutely nothing to do with network management. | |
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Camden, TN | Re: 5 GB caps?!? said by cornelius785:are freakin' crazy? so 5GB, that's 166MB a day. if i get lost on youtube, i could burn through that in an hour. this is ignoring if any sort of online video/music/game installation/patches that many internet users use. i need atleast 15GB/month for 'normal' internet browsing. You probably didn't get the memo. Accoridng to ISP CEOs if you do anything other thank checking e-mail and visiting static webpages( you know the 5% that still exist )you are an "extreme user". Youtube? NORMAL people don't watch online video. NORMAL people don't play games online. NORMAL people have no desire to download anything from the internet. It's true, it's in the memo. | |
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Mullica Hill, NJ | i just burned up 18 gigs today. all 100% legally, i had to reformat my system and just redownloaded some of my stuff from Steam and bought Fallout 3.
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Stepford, CA | Re: Time to regulate broadband pricing like telephone pricing. said by Mr Matt:Consumers will demand regulation of prices for this critical service. It is time for the government to stop broadband ISP's from gouging their customers. I'd settle for a viable national broadband policy written by technologically savvy lawmakers that specifically outlines and realistically compares the U.S.'s pathetically overpriced /under-performing BB to countries like Japan. Then maybe this country will have a snowball's hope in hell of competing with the rest of the developed world instead of falling behind the 3rd world. 
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Camden, TN | CEO: $1-$2 per GB only way to stay profitable... Well then perhaps they should not be in business. Incompetant people should be working for others not trying to run their own business. | |
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| Re: CEO: $1-$2 per GB only way to stay profitable... Calculating the GB figure out for overages, you arrive at a whopping $648 per megabit of symmetric transfer, a la T1. $972 if Frontier sold a full T1 at those rates. Except with the speeds people are getting on Frontier, they couldn't quite get that capability. $2 per GB? Make that $1296 per Mbit symmetric, or nearly $2000 for a T1's worth of transfer. Ripoff? Absolutely, considering that Frontier is paying probably $40 or less per megabit on their end. That's a markup of about 2500%, 5000% if you want $2 overages...in reality the cost per gigabyte, even on a high-quality network, could be around six cents in the quantities Frontier is buying at.
And to have the gall of charging for overages on a connection with an artifically limited speed...why not just let people max out the DSL lines at those rates? It's like offering only 50, 100, 150 and 200 minute cell phone plans with no night\weekend minutes, then charging 45 cents per minute for overages. Oh, right...we're talking about a telco here, who might actually do such a thing.
Quwestion: what DOES Frontier use for their backbone connectivity? Traceroutes ahoy! If they're using Cogent we're up to a colossal 5000-10000% markup on per-gig pricing. | |
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1 edit | Re: CEO: $1-$2 per GB only way to stay profitable... Whenever I run traceroutes, it always comes up with frontiernet.net which is their backbone, and then goes to other parties such as wvfiber.net (?) and I think Global Crossing. Definately Level3 though. | |
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| Re: CEO: $1-$2 per GB only way to stay profitable... OK. I might be wrong with some of the providers. WVFiber I'm almost certain is one of their peering partners, and savvis.net is one of them (running a trace route to my relative's connection came up with that). Next time I'm at their house I'll run trace routes to see how many peers I can hit up. | |
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Ann Arbor, MI | ideas Aw, c'mon, a CEO's gotta have ideas, right?
Or else they'd never be able to have people get to know them.
Maybe it's a canned idea, maybe it's an idea that a CEO had before they were even hired for the job (that would represent a better hiring decision, wouldn't it?)
It's PC right now to be stupid about this bandwidth thing. Ain't nothing more than a meet & greet as far as the suits are concerned, but what they're completely missing out on -- OK -- look -- gas was $4.00 per gallon and people were still driving SUVs - gas was $3.00 per gallon and people were still buying F150s.
Now, without ethanol, without some other substitute, it's not such a good idea to do that.
However, I simply fail to believe that this bandwidth "crisis" can't be solved. It has to be several orders of magnitude easier to achieve the necessary bandwidth than it is to switch everyone over to ethanol.
So -- if you want me to take your business seriously, buy your stock, whatever... don't be a moron.
Well.... ya know.... gas being $4 per gallon as that is... we decided to bring you a nice 4-door family sedan with a 150cc single-cylinder motorcycle engine in it. | |
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Mary Esther, FL | Re: nice in a struggling economy It's about control. you people need to understand. It's about control. If you don't like it, drop them and go back to dial up.
Soon, everyone will be in internet 2 and then.. POOF. The internet will not be fun anymore.
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Haverhill, MA | Stupid Caps Wow....I was not happy learning that Comcast was going to caps....but at the 250GB a month that Comcast has set their caps to, Comcast is looking pretty good now compared to this BS. | |
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I even have several customers going into the same DACS with identical problem and Frontier could care less. Oh, and the time it took to deliver the loops for the mirror routers was >6 months. Just pathetic.
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| | | Re: Fontier is a terrible company Yeah, just like they advertise no port restrictions on business class service. After having the service installed, I discovered that port 25 is blocked. After talking to a tech for 10 minutes I finally find out that the only way to remove the port restrictions is by paying another $10 per month to get a static IP.
And, their website (»www.frontieronline.com/products/···=2&p=124) still shows "Dynamic or Static IP" and "No Port Restrictions". FALSE ADVERTISING!
I would have switched to Time Warner for the business, but they wanted $700 to run a drop from the pole to the building.
For my home, I can't get a tech out to fix a noisy phone line that only happens when it's windy. They insist that the problem is inside wiring and want to charge me a trip charge. The last time I had a noisy line, I talked to my neighbors and found that we all had the same problem. We had to each open tickets and then I called Frontier Support and referenced all of the other tickets on the block before they finally sent a truck out at no charge to fix the problems with the wires on the pole.
I don't trust Frontier, but we have 2 choices in my town, Frontier or Time Warner. It's basically having to choose between the lesser of two evils.
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| Advertisers will not like it. This will also give more people an incentive to use adblock software to cut down on the data that comes in. If you're paying by the byte, you'd look for any way to cut down how much gets to your system. Just look at how many ads you can find on most websites. Using adblock with Firefox reallycuts it down - it gets blocked before it can download. This will not make the advertisers happy. Even so, I have no idea how much comes through anyway, and tools to measure aren't exactly simple to use. | |
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| Smith6612Premium,MVM
join:2008-02-01
North Tonawanda, NY
kudos:21 | Re: Advertisers will not like it. Traditionally, unless the site is that image heavy or all of the ads are text, the ads usually end up wasting 700KB or so of bandwidth a page load. The video ones can chew up 4+ megabytes. | |
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| | 5GB is crap i mean what about all the updates to xp or vista, what about the updates for malware or antivirus software that will eat up the cap pretty quickly. Per the memo the internet is only to be used to check weather and e-mail what a load of crap are the CEO's and the employees just using it for those things. Maybe they should be charged for overages for doing their work. The only thing that they have anyone by the short-hairs is the rural areas only have them as an ISP, or they could go to wildblue or Hughes both crappy service. I just wish more providers would come out to rural areas with better deals this would definitely make frontier think about putting caps on the service. I mean rural areas aren't causing congestion. All frontier customers boycott this idea please | |
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| | Ad-blocking vs. caps If one must deal with a cap it would be desirable to eliminate as much junk as possible and that means ads. But ad-blockers don't prevent d/l the ad, just prevent it from displaying, right?
Putting known advertising addresses in the HOSTS list eliminates the d/l as well but supposedly a large HOSTS list slows down the machine too.
Are there ad blocking plugins that actually prevent the d/l? | |
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| | Caps and ad-blocking I tried to post this before but it didn't show up. Basically, what ad-blockers actually block ad addresses rather than simply prevent them from being seen? Ad-block plus isn't really clear about this in its FAQ. Does blocking an address with this plug-in prevent fetching the ad or not? | |
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letchcj
join:2005-04-23
Forest Lake, MN | Dumped Frontier, Cable ended up being a much better deal I was one of the first people in my area to get DSL from (Citizens) Frontier. I'm on the edge of a major metro area, but Frontier was my only choice. So, I'm a long term customer (6+ years). Over the years the service is been fairly consistent. Only, 1 service call to have a switch reset, slow speeds and network congestion every night. Not perfect, but consistent.
Until August, when after a power outage I reset the DSL modem and I noticed my connection speed had been dropped from 2000k to 1000k. After thinking it was a problem on my part, I found out the connection speed was almost cut in half. Next up, I start reading DSLReports and find out Frontier is trying to implement a 5 gig cap. By the way, I'm paying Frontier $100+ dollars a month for phone service and DSL.
I checked into cable, which I have always ignored since they originally wanted $1000 to run a line a house to my house 14 years ago. This time they quoted me a $150 to run a line to the house. At the time the cable company is offering service of 7000k down and 512k up. No commitment and 6 months at $36 and $42 after. At this point, it becomes a no brainer and I switch.
So, thanks to Frontier for making me look at my service again. Because of their greed, my overall spend on phone service and internet access is $25 less a month. By the way, my spend with Frontier has dropped 70%. My speed is significantly faster and no network congestion.
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| letchcj
join:2005-04-23
Forest Lake, MN | Re: Dumped Frontier, Cable ended up being a much better deal By the way my speed test before and after I Frontier.
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Notice the difference. Frontier needs to get their act together. | |
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I read an article this week that stated that teachers are beginning to assign students projects that require internet access. The projects include creating programs to display on YouTube. Some teachers require students to download assignments. Broadband service is no longer a luxury but has become a necessity. Companies like Time Warner and Frontier are so greedy that they will cause a well deserved consumer backlash. Consumers will demand regulation of prices for this critical service. It is time for the government to stop broadband ISP's from gouging their customers. 