Vomish7
join:2005-07-19
East York, ON | How Suprising....
I guess it's taking longer to payoff the CRTC than expected. |
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL | Sounds like business as usual
Just how much in the tank for Bell Canada is the CRTC?
I don't know |
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George Kidd
join:2001-08-09
Vancouver, BC
| Delay
I suspect they are waiting for some other place with a similar circumstance to make a decision first. Then all the CRTC has to do is make a "me too" choice, thus side stepping any heat from the opposition.  |
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backness
join:2005-07-08
K2P OW2 | you mean like the Comcast decisions in the USA? |
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mlerner
Premium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
 ·Rogers Hi-Speed
 ·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Bell Sympatico
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Re: Sounds like business as usual
said by S_engineer  :Just how much in the tank for Bell Canada is the CRTC? I don't know You have no idea. The CRTC claims to be independent but in reality the commission is run by ex-telecom employees from Bell and other companies. If you look at previous cases, they have almost always sided with Bell in telecom issues. |
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Froggy
@teksavvy.com | May move back to France
If the internet gets any worst in Canada i'm moving back to France. |
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cpsycho
join:2008-06-03
Orangeville, ON
·Wightman Telecom
·Rogers Hi-Speed
2 edits | I think all the independent dsl'ers should put their equipment in bells CO. I cant say all dsl'ers can do this due to funds and what not. Maybe a trust factor. But then Bell rogers will have the worst service in canada. The independants will have the best net choice. That way when one of my customers asks me what company I can go with, I can say as long as you dont go with rogers or bell you should be fine. |
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TheMG
join:2007-09-04
Edmonton, AB
·TELUS
| The problem here is that a big Bell owns the copper, COs, and part of the network used by wholesaler ISPs.
Maybe it would be better if this equipment were government owned and/or regulated?
That way Bell and what are currently the wholesaler ISPs would all be in the same boat. Real competition once again! |
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zalternate
join:2007-02-22
BC
·TELUS
2 edits | CRTC is Corrupt
When the CRTC is taking more than a week to declare that they have not decided, means they are waiting for more donations bribes from Bell.
It's a clear cut case of illegal throttling. But Canada's law system is totally corrupt. Our Constitution is not enforced of 'Freedom of Communication' and we are forced to watch our rights die over false excuses that threatened Supreme Court Judges allow to happen..
The rich get richer via bribes..
The Great firewall of Canada indeed. |
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Complicated
@teksavvy.com | Complicated?
Surely, this is a much simpler issue than whatever ideas/thoughts/conclusions they use to arrive at restricting Canadians from watching/observing/viewing/listening to what they want. |
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st7860
join:2004-05-13
San Francisco, CA
| reply to Vomish7
Re: How Suprising....
a lot of people don't realise that for nearly 9 years Teksavvy or whatever company that feels like it can put their own equipment in bell central office and thus avoid any throttling or bandwidth controls. teksavvy and so on choose not to do that, instead renting stuff off of bell. lol. |
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Shark_615
join:2006-01-17
Pickering, ON | No they can't why don't you research the issue before you post bullshit? |
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st7860
join:2004-05-13
San Francisco, CA
| said by Shark_615 :No they can't why don't you research the issue before you post bullshit? swearing won't get you what you want.
and they can if they want to. any company in canada has been able to co-locate with bell or telus for nearly 8 years. most companies instead, like teksavvy, choose to RENT requipment and resell it. |
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andyb
Premium
join:2003-05-29
SW Ontario
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Bell Sympatico
| The only thing they "Rent" is the copper and back haul to the CO.Get your facts straight.If Bell requires it to go through thier box that is thier problem.Teksavvy would rather it not since they have bigger pipes.You don't get free right of way here nor will they grant it to anyone so putting in your own is not an option nor feasable. |
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st7860
join:2004-05-13
San Francisco, CA
3 edits | reply to Vomish7
teksavvy rents and resells bell facilities. if they choose to do so they could put their own equipment into bell's offices and the only bell facilities they need to 'rent' are the actual lines to the customers home or office. AND, if they had chosen to do it that way, there wouldn't be this fuss about throttling. bell can't throttle them if they were using their own leased lines instead of what amounts to buying in bulk from 'costco' and selling it retail.
Teksavvy is just like those companies that buy airtime off of Rogers Wireless and puts their name on it. Those companies don't own anything except a customer support/billing mechanism and so they are subject to the whims of their supplier, just like Teksavvy is subject to the whims of Bell. most people don't realise that Teksavvy is just a reseller of Bell services, and has only their own customer support, billing, mail servers, and so on.
that is why, especially in Ontario, switching ADSL companies is so easy, because most of them are tiny companies that rent bell service and resell it. |
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andyb
Premium
join:2003-05-29
SW Ontario | reply to Complicated
Re: Complicated?
You would be suprised. Go have a look at decisions they make
»www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/welcome.htm |
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Sempronius
join:2008-09-18
Toronto, ON
1 edit | reply to st7860
How Suprising....
said by st7860 :teksavvy rents and resells bell facilities. if they choose to do so they could put their own equipment into bell's offices and the only bell facilities they need to 'rent' are the actual lines to the customers home or office. AND, if they had chosen to do it that way, there wouldn't be this fuss about throttling. bell can't throttle them if they were using their own leased lines instead of what amounts to buying in bulk from 'costco' and selling it retail. Teksavvy is just like those companies that buy airtime off of Rogers Wireless and puts their name on it. Those companies don't own anything except a customer support/billing mechanism and so they are subject to the whims of their supplier, just like Teksavvy is subject to the whims of Bell. most people don't realise that Teksavvy is just a reseller of Bell services, and has only their own customer support, billing, mail servers, and so on. that is why, especially in Ontario, switching ADSL companies is so easy, because most of them are tiny companies that rent bell service and resell it. st7860 is correct on all points made. If Primus Canada can set up their own DSLAM in Bell's CO so can TekSavvy and other companies. St7860 has duly indicated, TekSavvy has chosen only to rent lines and resell Bell's products, whereas, Primus Canada is a separate entity from Bell Canada altogether and sells their own services, not reselling Bell Canada's services.
Shark_615, using fowl language is not a friendly gesture to our neighbors south of the border who choose to participate in Canadian related issues. It's important to be a respecter of all persons, especially where matters of opinion are expressed in an open forum. |
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Sempronius
join:2008-09-18
Toronto, ON
| reply to zalternate
CRTC is Corrupt
said by zalternate :When the CRTC is taking more than a week to declare that they have not decided, means they are waiting for more donations bribes from Bell. Words fitly spoken. The CRTC is partners-in-crime with Bell Canada. Bell Canada cries foul to the CRTC and the CRTC gives into Bell Canada every single time. It's no surprise that the CRTC will rule in favor of Bell Canada claiming that Bell Canada has not broken any laws and 3rd party wholesaler's will suffer the blight of Bell's throttling for their very existence or until they cease to exit. |
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
Premium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON
3 edits | reply to Sempronius
Re: How Suprising....
said by Sempronius :said by st7860 :teksavvy rents and resells bell facilities. if they choose to do so they could put their own equipment into bell's offices and the only bell facilities they need to 'rent' are the actual lines to the customers home or office. AND, if they had chosen to do it that way, there wouldn't be this fuss about throttling. bell can't throttle them if they were using their own leased lines instead of what amounts to buying in bulk from 'costco' and selling it retail. Teksavvy is just like those companies that buy airtime off of Rogers Wireless and puts their name on it. Those companies don't own anything except a customer support/billing mechanism and so they are subject to the whims of their supplier, just like Teksavvy is subject to the whims of Bell. most people don't realise that Teksavvy is just a reseller of Bell services, and has only their own customer support, billing, mail servers, and so on. that is why, especially in Ontario, switching ADSL companies is so easy, because most of them are tiny companies that rent bell service and resell it. st7860 is correct on all points made. If Primus Canada can set up their own DSLAM in Bell's CO so can TekSavvy and other companies. St7860 has duly indicated, TekSavvy has chosen only to rent lines and resell Bell's products, whereas, Primus Canada is a separate entity from Bell Canada altogether and sells their own services, not reselling Bell Canada's services. Actually, that's false, you are both wrong as we don't resell the service. The copper and back-haul to Toronto is purchased from Bell, from there, for the Transit and equipment, we do that portion through others. If we were to be "resellers" as you describe it, you'd get support from Bell, IPs from Bell, modems from Bell, etc....
As for the statement about Primus and what they've done.... We had a meeting a few years back with Bell about working with them on a pricing scheme that would work out best for both Bell and us so that we could work together at growing our client-base. The alternative was that we did our own. They came back with two additional volume programs that were above the 7,500 tiers in the tariff... We've essentially had our agreement re-nagged on recently as they've highjacked our network/client-base...... Not cool.
Rocky
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Blago
join:2007-12-25
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st7860 is absolutely right. Teksavvy rents all of bell's facilities, OE's, SLAMS, everything. Therefore they are subject to Bell's rules. Primus and Sprint (now owned by Rogers) have their own equipment in Bell COs (due to a ruling of the CRTC which allows anyone to setup their own equipment in Bell's CO) and therefore implement their own rules, they only lease the copper going to the customer's premises from Bell. |
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