furionbr
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brazil | It was so easy to see...
when you have something that was free and open coded, and you transform that in something paid, bad things will happen.
Still, they own uTorrent, the world's most used BitTorrent client. It is something... |
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Sammer
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1 edit | said by furionbr  :when you have something that was free and open coded, and you transform that in something paid, bad things will happen. While there will always be bitching when something free and open coded is transformed into something paid (think Red Hat) this was more like transforming into what most people consider evil. |
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Anonymous
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I have a feeling the next version of uTorrent will be ad supported  and it will slowly move to obscurity as other clients take over... |
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P Ness
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| LOL get a great lawyer
and start the lawsuits rolling on the program....
hey they can even sue the big guys like blizzard....
but then again "creator" is how lax of a term?
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| It couldn't happen to nicer folks, damn.
Over time, I've met some of their staff on line and a few in person -- these are people that love the Internet and now is a very rough time for anyone to lose a job.
My friend Eric accurately points out that streaming over the Internet -- ala YouTube -- cannot possibly replace traditional TV delivery (broadcasting) because it's incredibly inefficient (and thus prohibitively expensive) to ship so many unicast streams from a source to millions of viewing end hosts.
BitTorrent -- which is here now and works -- can take us a lot farther to freeing us from our TV overlords. Solutions like BitTorrent DNA, which can support broadcasting live events as well as pre-recorded content, moves to solve that problem by creating millions of free CDNs among the watchers.
This is identical to what Pando is trying to do, but their closed proprietary system has never gained much interest and their endless trials of P4P might end up in user code about the time we're all flying around in jet packs.
For those that are going -- my sincere admiration and wishes go with you. For those that are staying, let's hope that today's economy drives more content providers toward looking at P2P solutions to help offset costs and inefficiencies of client-server and traditional CDNs.
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battleop
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Who would have ever thought that this would happen. The majority of BitTorrent users are using it to get FREE stuff. What ever thought that these same people looking to get Free (steal) stuff would just start paying out of loyalty to BitTorrent? |
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TKJunkMail
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| said by battleop :Who would have ever thought that this would happen. The majority of BitTorrent users are using it to get FREE stuff. What ever thought that these same people looking to get Free (steal) stuff would just start paying out of loyalty to BitTorrent? Yes. BitTorrent made its name and reputation catering to the copyright infringers who want everything for free. I think it is poetic justice that they are suffering now that they want to cash in from the businesses they helped harm.
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King P
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Re: It was so easy to see...
Yeah, but at least you can still get Red Hat's source code, and modify it (that's where White Box and CentOS come from). This isn't the case with uTorrent. |
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dadkins
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Re: Wow
said by battleop :Who would have ever thought that this would happen. The majority of BitTorrent users are using it to get FREE stuff. What ever thought that these same people looking to get Free (steal) stuff would just start paying out of loyalty to BitTorrent? Copying is not "steal"-ing.
Nothing is ever removed from the owners possession.
It *IS* Copyright Infringement - which is illegal, but it is not stealing.
Call it what it is... 
There are many free - even Open Source, BT clients out there to be had.
Does this mean the Open Source people are facilitating stealing Infringement? 
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TKJunkMail
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| said by dadkins :There are many free - even Open Source, BT clients out there to be had. Does this mean the Open Source people are facilitating stealing Infringement? YES! |
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dnoyeB
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Re: It was so easy to see...
Red Hat didn't do that. Their products are still open source. Last I checked even their enterprise server was. Red Hat makes their money on service contracts and providing servers and whatnot. They don't sell the software product itself.
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Nope, the strong will survive aka the freebies... people will move elsewhere to other bittorrent clients or other sharing techniques. There is no way to stop something from being shared on the internet. That is what it's DESIGNED for, sharing information. That's the whole purpose of it. The correct term is copyright infringement, not stealing. For a handy guide on this subject I will refer you to this link->>>> »i38.tinypic.com/2gsq5a8.jpg . And for those of you who say it hurts the artist... pleaseeee, The most it will do is help spread the word that you're a musician and it will get people interested in your music so you can perform live shows, sell merchandise etc.. etc. |
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a333
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Re: Wow
Last time I heard, the BitTorrent company itself made money selling legally licensed music. Not Illegal/free by any means. And BT is a TECHNOLOGY, a TOOL. Every tool has harmful/dangerous uses. To blame that on the tool's creators is akin to blaming Boeing for 9/11, or blaming Einstein for the widespread fear of nukes. It's an old, dog-eared, half-a$$ed argument that has been defeated many times, so I hate to say this TK, but you're starting to sound like a broken (corporate) record..... |
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said by TKJunkMail :said by dadkins :There are many free - even Open Source, BT clients out there to be had. Does this mean the Open Source people are facilitating stealing Infringement? YES! Put your money where your mount is. I am using Open Source software and I use BT to help distribute it. What exactly am I doing to facilitate any form of copyright infringement??
And no I am not going to trackers like TPB and downloading copyrighted stuff.
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said by a333 :so I hate to say this TK, but you're starting to sound like a broken (corporate) record..... Starting??? He's always sounded like a broken (corporate) record.
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said by Zaber :said by TKJunkMail :said by dadkins :There are many free - even Open Source, BT clients out there to be had. Does this mean the Open Source people are facilitating stealing Infringement? YES! I am using Open Source software and I use BT to help distribute it. What exactly am I doing to facilitate any form of copyright infringement?? Are you authoring P2P code? No, you are using it. So you missed the point of the post about those who are WRITING P2P clients are facilitating infringement.
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said by Zaber :said by TKJunkMail :said by dadkins :There are many free - even Open Source, BT clients out there to be had. Does this mean the Open Source people are facilitating stealing Infringement? YES! Put your money where your mount is. I am using Open Source software and I use BT to help distribute it. What exactly am I doing to facilitate any form of copyright infringement?? It's best not to get into any sort of debate with resident corporate shills, particularly as it concerns the MAFIAA. They always come unarmed to the battle.
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Anomaly95
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said by TKJunkMail :those who are WRITING P2P clients are facilitating infringement. TK, you've got to be kidding me. That's akin to saying gun manufacturers are responsible for gun related deaths. |
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Zaber
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said by TKJunkMail :Are you authoring P2P code? No, you are using it. So you missed the point of the post about those who are WRITING P2P clients are facilitating infringement. The post you replied to said nothing about authoring anything. I would consider myself an Open source Person, not only because I use OSS I also help distribute and support it.
By your "logic" GM is responsible every time one of their products is used in a crime, or Glock is responsible every time someone gets shot with one of their firearms.
BT is a tool, like a car or a gun, it can be used to serve good or to cause harm. BT's purpose is to transfer a large amount to data to end users while creating minimal overhead for the distributor of said data.
Finally I will ask again: What exactly do OSS people do to facilitate infringement?
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Sammer
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Re: It was so easy to see...
said by King P :Yeah, but at least you can still get Red Hat's source code, and modify it (that's where White Box and CentOS come from). This isn't the case with uTorrent. said by dnoyeB :Red Hat didn't do that. Their products are still open source. Last I checked even their enterprise server was. Red Hat makes their money on service contracts and providing servers and whatnot. They don't sell the software product itself. You guys are making my point and AFAIK Enterprise Server is not open source because it contains proprietary code from third parties. Some in the open source community still bitched about the change in Red Hat's business model but that is very different from how most people view adding DRM and associating BitTorrent with the **AAs. |
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