mlundin
join:2001-03-27
Lawrence, KS
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| Anyone else...
...here shocked? Anyone? Anyone? Just another story about how a huge corporation is more concerned with profits than serving consumers. Hell, the "Con" isn't even a story. Big business tells government that they really really really do have the consumers in mind when it eventually turns out that they don't. Jesus, how many times has this happened? |
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jc100
join:2002-04-10
| Does anyone see he obvious...
- Don't trust the Telcos. Vote NO if they put up an issue if you are too lazy to inform yourself.
- Put a referendum on the ballot to overturn this issue. Very easily done, if so many people are negatively affected as this article claims.
- Learn from mistake 1 and educate yourself better in the future Wisconsin. |
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Dogfather
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Laguna Hills, CA
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| Telcos buy gov't influence?
Say it isn't so. There is no clear good and evil here. You have corrupt local and state gov't vs corrupt corporate racketeers. Meanwhile, as usual, the public loses no matter who wins.
Meanwhile, here is another telco slamming article from Karl Bode  ...so will he get the apology from the coaxial kissasses who endless claim bias? |
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Dogfather
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1 edit | reply to jc100
Re: Does anyone see he obvious...
Oh please. Here in California we're beyond bankrupt, facing 10.5% sales taxes, 200% increase in car taxes and you have a dumbass electorate voting for $20B ($10B+interest) for bullet trains no one will use. You think for a second that they won't believe the onslaught on cable and telco ads telling everyone that undoing franchise reform wouldn't be a "gov't power grab" or other such bullcrap?
Voters are stupid. |
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TKJunkMail
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Avalon, NJ
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|  Franchise Reform honors the Constitution
Critics of the video franchise law say it has given AT&T and cable companies the freedom to pick and choose where they want to offer their services Wow, imagine that. In the United States of America, the right of a private company to do business WHERE they want and WHEN they want without big brother making the choices for them. What is this world coming too.
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bolt
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| said by TKJunkMail :]Wow, imagine that. In the United States of America, the right of a private company to do business WHERE they want and WHEN they want without big brother making the choices for them. What is this world coming too. Ya, that deregulation bit has worked so well, for the airlines, the banking industry and the energy businesses. |
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marigolds
Gainfully employed, finally
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join:2002-05-13
Saint Louis, MO | Meanwhile in Phil Montgomery's reelection campaign...
Phil Montgomery's campaign donations from telecom sources jumped from $2k in 2004 to $10.7k in 2008. This includes 8 out of state maximum donations from AT&T/SBC employees. |
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marigolds
Gainfully employed, finally
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join:2002-05-13
Saint Louis, MO | reply to TKJunkMail
Re: Franchise Reform honors the Constitution
While abusing the public trust in the process and profiting off public lands.
Isn't America great?
If AT&T and cable companies want to pick and choose where to offer services, they can do it on private land and purchased private easements. |
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birdfeedr
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join:2001-08-11
Warwick, RI
·Verizon FIOS
| reply to Dogfather
Re: Does anyone see he obvious...
said by Dogfather :You think for a second that they won't believe the onslaught on cable and telco ads telling everyone that undoing franchise reform wouldn't be a "gov't power grab" or other such bullcrap? Voters are stupid. If I typed the first sentence, GrammarCheck™ would have a fit, and of 100 people I asked that question as written, 60 would pretend I didn't say a thing and keep on walking because they parsed the grammar and concluded it was a waste of their time. 36 would say "Huh?", 2 would answer Yes, and 2 would answer No.
Of the 36, 52% would approve of "Change, whatever that is" and 46% would approve if it looked like I had legs enough to stand for a couple of more years without keeling over because they liked the color of my hair. The remaining 2% still remember Annette Funicello when she wore that funny looking hat on daytime TV.
Of the remaining 4, all would parse the grammar and half would get tripped up in the double negatives and vote for what they thought they heard, while the other half would sincerely understand what I asked.
So, yes, voters are stupid, but the questions *are* complicated. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| reply to marigolds
Re: Franchise Reform honors the Constitution
said by marigolds :While abusing the public trust in the process and profiting off public lands. Isn't America great? If AT&T and cable companies want to pick and choose where to offer services, they can do it on private land and purchased private easements. Lets switch to communism where the community owns all property in the USA and then we wont have silly little fights, comrade. |
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Bill03
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join:2007-11-26
Richmond, VA
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| reply to Dogfather
Re: Does anyone see he obvious...
said by Dogfather :Voters are stupid. Some voters are stupid, not all. |
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marigolds
Gainfully employed, finally
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join:2002-05-13
Saint Louis, MO
| reply to patcat88
Re: Franchise Reform honors the Constitution
said by patcat88 :said by marigolds :While abusing the public trust in the process and profiting off public lands. Isn't America great? If AT&T and cable companies want to pick and choose where to offer services, they can do it on private land and purchased private easements. Lets switch to communism where the community owns all property in the USA and then we wont have silly little fights, comrade. Oh, I get it, you think that public trust lands are communism.
Because I know you don't read the newspapers:
Martin v. Waddell:
»supreme.justia.com/us/41/367/
Illinois Central Railroad v. Illinois:
»supreme.justia.com/us/163/142/
And a good summary too in case that is too much:
»www.slc.ca.gov/Policy_Statements···rine.pdf
I think you will find Illinois Central particularly relevant and enlightening on this particular public trust issue.
Meanwhile, Martin v Waddell should firmly establish for you why the public trust is a Constitutionally granted foundation of the American Republic and a capitalist society.
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tubbynet
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| reply to TKJunkMail
said by TKJunkMail :Wow, imagine that. In the United States of America, the right of a private company to do business WHERE they want and WHEN they want without big brother making the choices for them. What is this world coming too. ahhh...tk, where would we be without the neo-con spin that you provide on a daily basis...
what the telcos have done using franchise reform is allowed themselves not just to choose where they want, but it allows them to choose areas where there is competition. this allows them to offer higher speeds at the same price or lower where areas have competition from indie-sources or cable, but in ares where this competition is lacking, allows a "monopolistic" approach to speeds and pricing. we can see it all over in the disparities between speeds and prices in fios areas and those who aren't served by fios. this is just another incarnation of it.
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greendragon
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Stewartville, MN | reply to birdfeedr
Re: Does anyone see he obvious...
That was best post I've read in a while.
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
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| reply to tubbynet
Re: Franchise Reform honors the Constitution
said by tubbynet :but it allows them to choose areas where there is competition. How so? From what I understand, the franchise reform minimizes the requirements to deploy new technologies into markets. How does that allow an incumbent to choose where competition exists?said by tubbynet :we can see it all over in the disparities between speeds and prices in fios areas and those who aren't served by fios. So competition works? Or am I missing your point? |
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Dogfather
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Laguna Hills, CA
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Re: Does anyone see he obvious...
Okay. Way too many voters are stupid. |
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mod_wastrel
join:2008-03-28
·magicjack.com
| reply to patcat88
Re: Franchise Reform honors the Constitution
Uhhh, the "community" does own public land, and easements are private property. In what sense should at&t or any telco/cableco have the right to do anything they want to with land they don't own? Would you simply give over to them the right to do anything with your land that they want to? someone else's land?
All your land are belong to us! |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
| reply to birdfeedr
Re: Does anyone see he obvious...
said by birdfeedr :.... So, yes, voters are stupid, but the questions *are* complicated. ALL questions are complicated to stupid voters. Questions are also complicated for ignorant voters.
with the stupid voters and the ignorant voters, you end up with laws and regulations they have no clue are bad for them as consumers.
as for the legislators, money makes them stupid, ignorant or both. |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
| reply to TKJunkMail
Re: Franchise Reform honors the Constitution
said by TKJunkMail :Critics of the video franchise law say it has given AT&T and cable companies the freedom to pick and choose where they want to offer their services Wow, imagine that. In the United States of America, the right of a private company to do business WHERE they want and WHEN they want without big brother making the choices for them. What is this world coming too. so TK, you have no problem with me opening a car dealership in your front yard with no conditions and no compensation to you? |
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wifi4milez
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join:2004-08-07
New York, NY
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| Yes, this was a total con
Its amazing that many consumers in Wisconsin that previously had one choice for cable now have at least two, if not three choices for video content. How ATT pulled off this horrendous con is mind boggling, since providing more competition is clearly a terrible thing. The citizens of Wisconsin should demand ATT immediately cease deploying services, as they are furious they can now choose between two (or more) providers. 
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