patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | blimp broadband
Where is my blimp broadband? |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| cap done sort of right
Ok their caps are really low but at least they offer cap free times unlike TW, Comcast and at&t and they don't charge for overage they just throttle back speed which makes sense if your supposed argument for caps in the first place is bandwidth management.
I wonder when wildblue is going to offer cap free times. Yes WB caps have been a bit more generous than Hughesnet, but not when you factor in 5 cap free hours. Cellular companies should take note of this too. |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
 ·Comcast
| Customers Must Cut Off Useless Providers
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But because many rural customers lack options, they can't vote with their wallets ...
And therein lays the problem. As long as customers keep paying for crappy, useless service, the company will never have any real incentive to improve service. Not buying a piss-poor, less than useful luxury service is a realistic option that people have to consider when dealing with companies that consistently provide bad service.
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| said by pnh102  : quote:
But because many rural customers lack options, they can't vote with their wallets ...
And therein lays the problem. As long as customers keep paying for crappy, useless service, the company will never have any real incentive to improve service. Not buying a piss-poor, less than useful luxury service is a realistic option that people have to consider when dealing with companies that consistently provide bad service. sounds easy enough but the internet is becoming more a necessity these days. You suggest people "take one for the team". By the way considering out of 25 million potential customers Hughesnet has less than 500,000 so I believe people are in fact speaking with their wallets. Hughesnet knows it has capacity of MANY MANY more customers but isn't seeing any growth because of caps and it HAS to pay for these satellites it launched so they are in a situation they have no choice but to improve service. 500,000 customers isn't going to be enough to pay for a $250 mil satellite. |
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
 ·North State Commun..
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said by pnh102 : quote:
But because many rural customers lack options, they can't vote with their wallets ...
And therein lays the problem. As long as customers keep paying for crappy, useless service, the company will never have any real incentive to improve service. Not buying a piss-poor, less than useful luxury service is a realistic option that people have to consider when dealing with companies that consistently provide bad service. Believe it or not, a lot of people just think satellite service is the way "internet access" is. Some even think that because it's a satellite, it's inherently more "high tech" than DSL/Cable. I kid you not.
I had a rural co-worker who LOVED his satellite service. I had to beat him over the head to trade it for 3Mbps DSL and then 10Mbps cable. |
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beaups
join:2003-08-11
Hilliard, OH
| I'm confused
They have crappy caps, we know this...users claim there is more bandwidth available but Hughes is being unreasonable. But then at peak times they complain they aren't able to achieve advertised speeds (IE the 610KBPS) which tells me there ISN'T enough bandwidth available. so which is it? |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| said by beaups :They have crappy caps, we know this...users claim there is more bandwidth available but Hughes is being unreasonable. But then at peak times they complain they aren't able to achieve advertised speeds (IE the 610KBPS) which tells me there ISN'T enough bandwidth available. so which is it? Pretty simple, probably at PEAK times there isn't enough bandwidth. How many people are going to be up at 3 AM? Not many. Also getting people to schedule updates in the middle of the night frees up more bandwidth during peak times. |
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beaups
join:2003-08-11
Hilliard, OH | So then it would appear as their FAP/Caps is necessary, right? |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| said by beaups :So then it would appear as their FAP/Caps is necessary, right? Yeah so? Doesn't mean there service isn't still inferior to DSL/cable. Once again as long as the have high prices and rediculously low caps there customer base will remain small because many people simple either can't afford it or don't think it's worth it even if it's there only choice for internet other than dial-up. If they launch enough satelites to have enough capacity for higher caps then lower the price that will pay for itself with more customers. At the rate they're going both they and wildblue will be out of business in 10 years. |
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beaups
join:2003-08-11
Hilliard, OH | Of course it's inferior, provided you can get DSL or cable. My point is it appears to be necessary give the the technology. |
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aeblank
join:2004-09-07
Cadillac, MI | ICK
I need a 100' tall tower to get fixed wireless. My cell signal isn't the greatest for EVDO. I'm 40K feet from the CO, so no DSL. I'm 2 miles past cable. Because of that, I only have ISDN. I am not considering moving to satellite one bit, either. |
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budr
Premium
join:2007-12-22
Anadarko, OK | All the above here, and no ISDN either. So it's satellite or dialup, period.
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Piggie
I Actually use Windstream
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join:2005-11-23
Orange Springs, FL
 ·HughesNet Satellit..
·Windstream
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said by aeblank :I need a 100' tall tower to get fixed wireless. My cell signal isn't the greatest for EVDO. I'm 40K feet from the CO, so no DSL. I'm 2 miles past cable. Because of that, I only have ISDN. I am not considering moving to satellite one bit, either. I have been on both ISDN 64K and satellite. I would take ISDN any day.
Satellite was cool back 10 years almost. Lots of places didn't have broadband, so their growth was good. But moreover there wasn't a lot of bandwidth to use on the internet. These days even web surfing with all the flash and videos will FAP a Sat User.
I think the home sat user days are doomed also. Bandwidth needs will only go up. Sat is already peaked out because of the cost of satellites. In other words Sat has a real economic limit to bandwidth.
However, land based services that say they need to cap current users to add users are just cheating to get bandwidth. Other countries they add more infrastructure. Yeah, the government pays for it. But the more I see how far behind America is falling, and how the free markets failed, a little bit of socialism and regulation can go a long way.
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inferno
join:2008-07-06 | ..........
I would honestly rather have dial up than this garbage... Satellite internet sucks... What a scam... |
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Smith6612
Premium
join:2008-02-01
united state | reply to patcat88
Re: blimp broadband
It's not going to happen :P The blimps will "pop" |
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hescominsoon
join:2003-02-18
Brunswick, MD | hughes isn't the only sat option
wildblue is also available and they have hugely more generous FAP terms. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| said by hescominsoon :wildblue is also available and they have hugely more generous FAP terms. I would have agreed before Hughesnet employed this. wildblues caps are still rediclously low. ~17 GB download per month for $90 a month? Even with Hughesnet cheapest tier which has only a 200 MB daily cap factor in the 5 hour cap-free window and you're talking about up to 72 GB a month download potentially. Right now I'd take Hughesnet's $80 tier with it's 425 MB combined DL/UL daily cap( 12750 MB per month ) and 5 hour cap-free window over Wildblue's 17000 MB DL and 5000 MB UL cap for $90. If Wildblue gets a matching cap-free window then of course they would be the choice. |
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Lazlow
join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO | reply to BF69
Re: cap done sort of right
If they really have to cap(ISPs in general), then this is a better way to go. |
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rawwhide
Zer0
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join:2000-09-03
Zero
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·AT&T DSL Service
| reply to Smith6612
Re: blimp broadband
Whitespace broadband is almost here to bolster competition between the current monopolies and duopolies we currently have in place. For many rural area users will have access to a second source of broadband.
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beaups
join:2003-08-11
Hilliard, OH | reply to Piggie
Re: ICK
what other countries are you referring to? and please don't use Japan or any other country that packs 10MM people per square mile... |
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