44402812
Hack The Planet
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1 edit |  Pretty Sad
MShaft giving their anti virus out for free. They are a little late and a little to bloated! No Thanks  |
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Subaru
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I guess you can't sell everything.. leave it up to the more known brands to do stuff like this |
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ITGuy72
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New York | OK
I'm actually pretty interested in this. The release says the product will be engineered to not be resource intensive. It also really only focuses on consumers, is it free for business too? |
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ITGuy72
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Re: Pretty Sad
per the release "will be architected for a smaller footprint that will use fewer computing resources, making it ideal for low-bandwidth scenarios or less powerful PCs" |
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gaforces
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join:2002-04-07
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How much you want to bet it wont be compatible with Windows 7?
Then the MS execs will say, Win7 is so superior it doesnt need an AV 
Just like OneCare wasnt compatible with their flagship release of Vista 64.
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Ontario, CA | Networking Nightmare
OneCare gave me nothing but networking problems. I never made it past the trial period.
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TKJunkMail
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| said by beta user  :OneCare gave me nothing but networking problems. I never made it past the trial period. Same here. I tried out their beta as a tester and I had to restore my PC from scratch because it bollixed up the registry so badly. The uninstall left a mess all over the system.
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Dogfather
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Laguna Hills, CA | I welcome it, absolutely
Hopefully this will lead to a huge drop in botnet populations. |
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WALL_E
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| Good move, Microsoft
I'm agreeing with a lot of their decisions lately, even as a Mac guy.
If they can get Windows Update to automatically detect if a user has an antivirus installed, and then recommended their new security suite as an recommended download in cases where no other AV is present, Microsoft could have a huge impact on malware and botnets.
Microsoft is in a unique position to get this software on as many machines as possible with as little user knowledge required as possible, something that wasn't possible with a non-free product like OneCare.
If Microsoft can get detection up to snuff (at least as good as some of the Free AVs), while reducing the performance impact versus their OneCare suite, I say they have a winner!
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NPGMBR
join:2001-03-28
Arlington, VA
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Re: Pretty Sad
The sucks. I've been using OneCare for a good two years now and I have to say its the most non-envasive security program I have ever used. I was using Zone Alarm before so may have to go back to it. I hope they finally worked out their compatibility issues with Vista because there is no way in hell I'll ever install Norton anything I own. |
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Jeffrey
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| reply to WALL_E
Re: Good move, Microsoft
said by WALL_E :If Microsoft can get detection up to snuff (at least as good as some of the Free AVs), while reducing the performance impact versus their OneCare suite, I say they have a winner! Help a guy out here who doesn't understand too many technical aspects of the OS. I'm assuming the reason that companies like Avira and Avast, who both offer free products and excellent detection, succeed so well is because it is essentially all that they do. Microsoft is busy developing hundreds of titles of software, including its line of OSs.
However, to me, it stands to reason that companies like Avira and Avast shouldn't be able to make a product better than what MS could do, considering MS developed the actual OS of which the viruses/trojans/etc infect.
So, if MS can put some effort and $ into developing a proper package - and obviously OneCare wasn't it - in theory, it should be superior to any third party product. Or do I have that all wrong?
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Jeffrey
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| reply to TKJunkMail
Re: Networking Nightmare
said by TKJunkMail :said by beta user :OneCare gave me nothing but networking problems. I never made it past the trial period. Same here. I tried out their beta as a tester and I had to restore my PC from scratch because it bollixed up the registry so badly. The uninstall left a mess all over the system. No wonder I had been seeing such deals on OneCare lately. Think I saw it on NewEgg for $9.99 and I would venture a guess that it could be had for less if I shopped around.
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Jeffrey
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Re: Pretty Sad
said by NPGMBR :The sucks. I've been using OneCare for a good two years now and I have to say its the most non-envasive security program I have ever used. I was using Zone Alarm before so may have to go back to it. I hope they finally worked out their compatibility issues with Vista because there is no way in hell I'll ever install Norton anything I own. Never say never. I also vowed to ignore Norton since around 2000/2001, but from what I read, NIS 2009 is a superior product. I have yet to try it, just have read some comments here in the Security forum.
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TSI Steve
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join:2007-01-12
Chatham, ON
| reply to Jeffrey
Re: Good move, Microsoft
said by Jeffrey :said by WALL_E :If Microsoft can get detection up to snuff (at least as good as some of the Free AVs), while reducing the performance impact versus their OneCare suite, I say they have a winner! Help a guy out here who doesn't understand too many technical aspects of the OS. I'm assuming the reason that companies like Avira and Avast, who both offer free products and excellent detection, succeed so well is because it is essentially all that they do. Microsoft is busy developing hundreds of titles of software, including its line of OSs. However, to me, it stands to reason that companies like Avira and Avast shouldn't be able to make a product better than what MS could do, considering MS developed the actual OS of which the viruses/trojans/etc infect. So, if MS can put some effort and $ into developing a proper package - and obviously OneCare wasn't it - in theory, it should be superior to any third party product. Or do I have that all wrong? MicroSoft used to develop free AV (MS-DOS 4,5, & 6)...
Natural protection should be built into the OS and no company should be able to do it better then MS since they do develop the OS (as you mentioned yourself). Should be a lot easier for them to integrate as well.
I fully support MS's decision on this matter.
It should be far superior. If written into the Kernel itself, and of course also into the core explorer it should work very well and find virii upon initial boot and blast them away from HDD before the computer is technically running.
As it stands, in my opinion ALL anti-virus programs currently written are garbage. I detest them all.
I do not run AV on any of my PCs.. I don't need too.
I am better at AV removal & protection then the AV programs anyway. I have not ever been infected with a virus I didn't create on any of my PCs to date.
I've manually removed virii that are considered "almost impossible" to get rid of with ease (from friends & family's computers). Mind you, it can sometimes take hours to do so...its not difficult though.
At the end of the day, protection built into the OS should be way more effective then any AV program you can currently get.
When it comes to protection it should also be noted that virii are no longer the major problem... it's now spy/mal-ware and rootkits that are the major issue.
They cause your system to run crazy. If MS can develop a watchdog that looks for rogue DLL's and other such libraries that are causing constant high load on the machine, it should help eliminate the ones that cause computers to run in a very diminished state.
They'd also need to develop something that actively monitors all inbound and outbound traffic.
Look at every application and when something makes an outbound connection on a non-standard port it should alert the user. For the ones that actually use standard ports it should look at the application making the request.. if its not a recognized program again, alert the user and block it.
Anyway now I am getting OT> sorry.
I look forward to this and hope it is successful.
If coded properly, it will cause AV companies to cease operations, and since they price gouge, that's a good thing (even though they are most likely going to try to stop MS which is completely stupid... all they care about is money though.)
If you took the time to read this, thanks LOL
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Jeffrey
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| Well said. Not that you did, but I wouldn't encourage people to run their system without an antivirus software. But, I see where you're coming from.
Hopefully MS can do what they need to do. Ideally, it should have been done right from the get go, but no use being Monday morning quarterback. |
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NPGMBR
join:2001-03-28
Arlington, VA
| reply to Jeffrey
Re: Pretty Sad
Trust me, I've been free of Norton since sometime in the late 90s. I trust Zone Alarm but they ticked me off with their slow response to Vista. I'd have to see Norton in action on someone else's machine and it would have to be an idential model to mine before I'd ever consider Norton again. |
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Re: Good move, Microsoft
OneCare was a decent suite, though I have since switched to AVG on my various systems. When their new free AV suite comes out, you can bet I'll install it. Windows Defender Plus maybe? They do already have an anti-spyware suite that's reasonably powerful... |
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rdmiller
join:2005-09-23
Richmond, VA
| Mission Accomplished
What OneCare did do, no matter how much market share it achieved, was to force Norton and McAfee to offer a competing product at a competing price point.
Now if Norton and McAfee will offer a "free for home users" version to compete with 'Morro' and AVG, the world will be a lot safer. |
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PolarBear
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| Day late, buck short
I fully support MS on this, but I think they're 10 years late. And charging for OneCare? What an insult. They sell you an operating system that is vulnerable, then they want to sell you something to protect it? Bullshit. That's like an auto maker charging to fix a recall. Hell, even Wal-mart will exchange a defective product for a working one.
MS should have done this a decade ago. At least they're finally getting around to it.
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visio
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Clifton, NJ
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Ive use OneCare on 3 machines when it first came out and didnt have any problems with it. Ran fine, but my preferred solution has been Kaspersky for awhile now, so when the OC license expired I just switched back. It wasnt resource intensive, but then again I have a pretty higher end computer (4gb, quad-core 2.4). That being said, this is one of those things I would recommend for users who arent that computer savvy, where all the updates can be tied into windows update, and the user really doesnt have to know whats going on |
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