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Re: Welp, if that is how they want to play I suggested that long ago. But most of everyone shot it down. Good luck with that since people in Canada feel that they're owed unlimited and uncapped/throttled internet access. The US makes ISPs build out their network now if the Bell's don't want to play Canada should be the same. |
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1 edit | reply to BellER
Re: Get Rid Of The CRTC But as most people on here said when I suggested that--it costs toooo much to build your own network out. blah blah blah.
edit add: and the ISPs should be able to use the Bell network to deliver ISP services. |
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Pv8man
join:2008-07-24
Hammond, IN | reply to Guy Incognito
Re: Welp, if that is how they want to play That's the spirit, node 2 here,
and I volunteer my neighbors router because it's only WPA, lol |
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| Raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaage !! 
I just wanna smash something right now !
I can't believe these morons ! WTH is wrong with this country ? How did these pple get to dictate garbage like this that effectively screwes us, the consumers over and over and OVER.
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| this is absolutely disgusting! I can't believe this.
This is not the way things are supposed to go.
What the hell's bell scared of, a little healthy compitition?
compitition never hurt anyone. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | reply to matradley
Re: Not too sure what to think... said by matradley:Perhaps it is time to dissolve the CRTC as its usefulness has worn out. Its many levels above the FCC. Forcing American ILECs to lease out their DSLAM ports and transport DSL traffic to the ISP's datacenter is unheard of in the USA. Even RT customers can get competitor DSL. In the USA you have to install your own RT/DSLAM to get competitor DSL, no exceptions, and ISPs must figure out how to transport traffic from the CO to their data center. |
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djweis
join:2006-04-02
West Des Moines, IA | This isn't accurate, aside from the newer networks that Qwest and AT&T are putting in, independent ISP's can access customers anywhere the retail side can. |
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 TransmasterDon't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
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Re: Canada even more stupid than USA said by Quake110:I have to agree, and I'm not proud of it. The Americans voted for change: Obama is a Tech Savvy president. While us... we voted a conservative government. I would not blame this on your conservative government. You have an entrenched board which is quasi independent of the Your Government, much like our FCC. What I would look at instead is what kind of ties do the board members have with the industary they are supposed to regulate.
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I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's.
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Re: Backlash "The backlash on this is going to be HUGE"
Probably not. Cowsumers don't understand why this is bad. |
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| reply to Rob
Re: Surprised. I'm not surprised at all. CRTC = Canadian Roadblock to Telecommunications Competition. 
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 diskaceElectronic Box CEOPremium,VIP
join:2002-02-21 | david vs goliath This could be the beginning of the end. Bell will lose their indirect customer (through wholesale competitors) to local competitors (if existent) or cable companies.
Small ISP will have to start local alternative at the size they can financially support. On the short run it could mean that a lot of user will be stuck with a no-flavor internet service. On the long run, if done well, it could mean more competitions and better services for consumers.
Bell might enforce caps like we see in the wholesale cable industry (TPIA).
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 nixenRockin' the BoxenPremium
join:2002-10-04
Alexandria, VA | reply to Rob
Re: Surprised. said by Rob:I really thought that the CRTC would vote against Bell Canada. Totally sucks for Canadians. Well, strictly speaking, if Bell Canada is applying "management" to all traffic, then it's not discriminatory. But that's a very strict view of "discriminatory" - it ignores the effective consequences of the action. It appears that the CRTC's chosen to take the exceedingnly strict view - "why" is open for debate.
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davidl
join:2008-07-11
Vaudreuil-Dorion, QC
1 edit | The Big Question - How do we get around this? Can Teksavvy et al install some co-located equipment to get past the throttling points?
How much would it add to the service cost? I'd happily pay more for more speed and no Bell/CRTC crap.
Update1: What can we do to Bell Canada to make them pay for this? |
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 tmpchaosRequiescat in pacePremium,Mod
join:2000-04-28
Hoboken, NJ
All Things Macintosh
Bell Canada
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Re: Surprised. It's true that it may not be 'discriminatory'- so long as it does apply to, as you say, all traffic. It's probably a violation of their contract with the wholesale purchasers, though.
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| reply to battleop
Re: Backlash Ha, I agree. It seems so pointless, large monopolistic companies like Bell always win and honestly the majority of Canada doesn't even know whats going on so nothing drastic will happen. |
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| Wholesale pricing Not sure I understand. If I was selling to a wholesaler I would charge them 95%ile usage billing. The more they use the more the spend (re-cooping cost). Throttling on large cap wholesale services does not make any sense if you get more revenue from more traffic.
Am I missing something? |
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 LinklistPremium
join:2002-03-03
Longport, NJ
kudos:5 | reply to Guy Incognito
Re: Welp, if that is how they want to play said by Guy Incognito :
Time to start a wireless mesh network.
Node 1 checking in.
Well, go ahead and start one up. |
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| reply to swhitney2003
Re: stick it to the man Ummm, the CRTC -IS- The Man. They're run by former employees of the very corporations they're supposed to protect us against :-( |
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LinklistPremium
join:2002-03-03
Longport, NJ
kudos:5 | reply to tmpchaos
Re: Surprised. You can read here all the reasons the CRTC decided as they did. It lays out why the CRTC disagreed with CAIP's contentions that Bell was violating tariff agreements and contractual terms:
»www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/ENG/Decis···-108.htm |
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yabos
join:2003-02-16
London, ON | reply to swhitney2003
Re: stick it to the man The CRTC is the Man's hairy buttocks |
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