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Comments on news posted 2008-11-20 09:23:40: Earlier this year, Bell Canada began throttling the traffic of wholesale competitors before delivering it to them, and without telling them. ..

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The Truth

@ikea.com

1 recommendation

:(

Lame, another strike against consumers.

Matt3
All noise, no signal.
Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12

1 recommendation

Backlash

The backlash on this is going to be HUGE. I'd hate to be a member of the CRTC for the next few weeks. It just proves that Ma Bell, even in another country, has the best lobbyists in the world and would rather litigate than innovate.
Shark_615

join:2006-01-17
Pickering, ON

1 recommendation

Re: Backlash

I have no words to describe how disappointed and disgusted I am at this decision. It just shows how spineless and useless the CRTC is... unbelievable...

knightmb
Everybody Lies

join:2003-12-01
Franklin, TN

Re: Backlash

Yeah, greed has no creed or face in this world, it exist everywhere. What no better example than in the face of overwhelming evidence that no problem exist, it is ruled that a problem "must" exist somewhere.
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battleop

join:2005-09-28
00000
"The backlash on this is going to be HUGE"

Probably not. Cowsumers don't understand why this is bad.

AMailer
Aaron DM

join:2004-04-03

Re: Backlash

Ha, I agree. It seems so pointless, large monopolistic companies like Bell always win and honestly the majority of Canada doesn't even know whats going on so nothing drastic will happen.

peter_m
Premium
join:2005-07-13
Canada, QC
I hate to say it.... I also agre.
45578933

join:2008-10-13
canada

Discussion Thread.

Huge thread on this going on now.

»CRTC ruling coming Thursday Nov 20

beatsnpieces

join:2007-12-17

1 edit

Oh boy....

The feces are gonna hit the rotating ventilation appliance over this one...

88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness

Canada even more stupid than USA

And that's saying something.

Quake110
Premium
join:2003-12-20
Ottawa, ON

1 recommendation

Re: Canada even more stupid than USA

I have to agree, and I'm not proud of it. The Americans voted for change: Obama is a Tech Savvy president. While us... we voted a conservative government.

Hell, our politicians sucks now, we don't have leaders worth electing for. We need Trudeau or Jean-Chrétien back in Canada.

Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus

join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
Reviews:
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Re: Canada even more stupid than USA

said by Quake110:

I have to agree, and I'm not proud of it. The Americans voted for change: Obama is a Tech Savvy president. While us... we voted a conservative government.
I would not blame this on your conservative government. You have an entrenched board which is quasi independent of the Your Government, much like our FCC. What I would look at instead is what kind of ties do the board members have with the industary they are supposed to regulate.
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FFH
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join:2002-03-03
Tavistock NJ
kudos:5
What surprised me was that the CRTC has absolutely no problem with throttling by network protocol and letting Bell single out P2P traffic to be throttled. I thought the CRTC would have tagged along with the FCC on net neutrality grounds.

blueeyesm

join:2003-09-05
Waterloo, ON

Rogers

...now has full right to continue its throttling practices.

"What's good for the goose is good for the gander."

swhitney2003
Premium
join:2003-06-13
NH

stick it to the man

I was really hoping the CRTC would stick it to The Man. Maybe CRTC is part of The Man.

oxymoron69

join:2004-11-10
Corbyville, ON
kudos:1

Re: stick it to the man

Ummm, the CRTC -IS- The Man. They're run by former employees of the very corporations they're supposed to protect us against :-(
yabos

join:2003-02-16
London, ON
The CRTC is the Man's hairy buttocks

Guy Incognito

@teksavvy.com

Welp, if that is how they want to play

Time to start a wireless mesh network.

Node 1 checking in.
hottboiinnc
ME

join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH

Re: Welp, if that is how they want to play

I suggested that long ago. But most of everyone shot it down. Good luck with that since people in Canada feel that they're owed unlimited and uncapped/throttled internet access. The US makes ISPs build out their network now if the Bell's don't want to play Canada should be the same.
Pv8man

join:2008-07-24
Hammond, IN
That's the spirit, node 2 here,

and I volunteer my neighbors router because it's only WPA, lol

FFH
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Tavistock NJ
kudos:5
said by Guy Incognito :

Time to start a wireless mesh network.

Node 1 checking in.
Well, go ahead and start one up.

root9

join:2005-04-08
Kitchener, ON
hahaha , mine has been up since ages ago
full 100Mbps access from 300Mbps card, Bell tried to down it many times till i started nuking them and video taping them

BTW: i told everyone here that this would happen and what the solutions are to improve our internet, yet i was badgered by numerous PPL on here.
My answer to them is > You Suck and now u've got what u wanted. :P
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matradley
Premium
join:2003-07-03
Ontario

Not too sure what to think...

Perhaps it is time to dissolve the CRTC as its usefulness has worn out.

ShadPTR

join:2008-01-23
Markham, ON

1 recommendation

Re: Not too sure what to think...

Wow, this is such a disgrace. I'm ashamed to be in this country. It's a sad state when this government is so blantant in such a decision. It goes to show you the majority of our citizens really do not know much about how they are abused when it comes to technology.

en102
Canadian, eh?

join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA

Re: Not too sure what to think...

CRTC... bought and paid for by Bell/Rogers. Taxpayers be damned.
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patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1
said by matradley:

Perhaps it is time to dissolve the CRTC as its usefulness has worn out.
Its many levels above the FCC. Forcing American ILECs to lease out their DSLAM ports and transport DSL traffic to the ISP's datacenter is unheard of in the USA. Even RT customers can get competitor DSL. In the USA you have to install your own RT/DSLAM to get competitor DSL, no exceptions, and ISPs must figure out how to transport traffic from the CO to their data center.
djweis

join:2006-04-02
West Des Moines, IA

Re: Not too sure what to think...

This isn't accurate, aside from the newer networks that Qwest and AT&T are putting in, independent ISP's can access customers anywhere the retail side can.
gnumantsc

join:2003-07-23

Bell sucks

What doesn't really make sense here if they are worried about network congestion wouldn't they filter between the hours of 9-5 to ensure no issues? Why would they filter after work hours which is something that is really strange.

Funny how with the increased bandwidth Bell did not upgrade. Bell is 10 years behind.

Maynard G Krebs

@teksavvy.com

Re: Bell sucks

said by gnumantsc:

What doesn't really make sense here if they are worried about network congestion wouldn't they filter between the hours of 9-5 to ensure no issues? Why would they filter after work hours which is something that is really strange.
Not so strange at all.

Bell's throttling preceded (more or less) the opening of their own on-demand video store. The throttle hours are 4pm - 2am, which corresponds to peak video watching time.

This is the problem with a combined common carrier and value-added provider.

canesfan2001

join:2003-02-04
Hialeah, FL

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Nice

Another victory for the real heroes, Big Business!
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Rob
In Deo speramus.
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join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
kudos:3

1 edit

Surprised.

I really thought that the CRTC would vote against Bell Canada.

Totally sucks for Canadians.

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Raptor
Not a Dumptruck

join:2001-10-21
London, ON

1 recommendation

Unbelievable....

This is wholeheartedly disgusting. I really thought that despite the typically inept CRTC, they'd rule in favour of the wholesalers.
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adisor19

join:2004-10-11
Reviews:
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Raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaage !!



I just wanna smash something right now !

I can't believe these morons ! WTH is wrong with this country ? How did these pple get to dictate garbage like this that effectively screwes us, the consumers over and over and OVER.

Adi

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sdavidson08

join:2008-09-16
Brantford, ON

this is absolutely disgusting!

I can't believe this.
This is not the way things are supposed to go.
What the hell's bell scared of, a little healthy compitition?
compitition never hurt anyone.

diskace
Electronic Box CEO
Premium,VIP
join:2002-02-21

david vs goliath

This could be the beginning of the end. Bell will lose their indirect customer (through wholesale competitors) to local competitors (if existent) or cable companies.

Small ISP will have to start local alternative at the size they can financially support. On the short run it could mean that a lot of user will be stuck with a no-flavor internet service. On the long run, if done well, it could mean more competitions and better services for consumers.

Bell might enforce caps like we see in the wholesale cable industry (TPIA).
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davidl

join:2008-07-11
Vaudreuil-Dorion, QC
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The Big Question - How do we get around this?

Can Teksavvy et al install some co-located equipment to get past the throttling points?

How much would it add to the service cost? I'd happily pay more for more speed and no Bell/CRTC crap.

Update1: What can we do to Bell Canada to make them pay for this?

BellNoWay

@epsherbrooke.qc.ca

Re: The Big Question - How do we get around this?

I think the only way to destroy all the idea of throttling in Canada is to make Bell go bankrupt.

root9

join:2005-04-08
Kitchener, ON

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Re: The Big Question - How do we get around this?

That's pretty close BellNoWay, but there must be a buyer or someone to take it over. The only ones are us, the users.

Teksavvy has one option and one option only to stay in biz:
Bill Bell for their [Teksavvy] losses x 100 to x 1000 and for all the troubles and aggravations
wait 30 days
if Bell don't pay send 'em Notice of Intent and Understanding
wait 3 working days, 4 days there and 4 days back = 11 days
if bell still don't remedy then take it to courts since Teksavvy will automatically win

Teksavvy users can put in their own Notices since they lost out on work, bandwidth, hydro, equipment, etc.
Bell users can do same, even if u're a past Bell user.

Or Teksavvy can start lookin' for other biz and or jobs, cause Bell is gonna squeeze everyone, and bad.

One more thing: force CRTC to pay for losses due to their decision as well

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devnuller

join:2006-06-10
Cambridge, MA

Wholesale pricing

Not sure I understand. If I was selling to a wholesaler I would charge them 95%ile usage billing. The more they use the more the spend (re-cooping cost). Throttling on large cap wholesale services does not make any sense if you get more revenue from more traffic.

Am I missing something?

mton

@pptc.gc.ca

Re: Wholesale pricing

That might be an isolated case, but Look Communications have posted information on their site mentionning a fee of 360,000 per month. (Context: After Bell tried to disconnect Look from DSL, the Ontario Court of Justice forced Bell to continue the carrier service for this monthly amount)

»www.look.ca/en/files/Look_grante···0731.pdf

However, shortly after in November 2007 Look was claiming that Bell would "excessively and incorrectly invoice Look for more than double the terms of the July 31 Order of $360,000 per month". »www.look.ca/en/files/Look_grante···0731.pdf

So at this point, I'm still unsure whether Bell sells its DSL on a flat rate, per 'box', per connection, per subscriber, or per GB. If anyone knows, that would be interesting.

cpsycho

join:2008-06-03
HarperLand
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Fire the CRTC

F-ing lame azz rehabs. Of course they dont understand the net. Look they dont even have a single freaking email address. They got the worst site I ever seen, a two year old could make one better.

I dont think to is just gonna be rough for the crtc its gonna get ugly.

Not only they are allowing companys to sell gimpornet as internet. They are invading peoples privacy and spamming them to death.

Look if I wanted gimpornet I would have smashed my head off a wall and stuck a cord op my "Censord by the CRTC"
Stojko
Premium
join:2007-10-20
St John's NL

I'm not surprised, really

I guess someone from Bell had a "meeting" with someone from the CRTC last night.

Ahh... the CRTC - protecting the interests of corporations.

It's sad how the US voted for change with Obama and we voted for... well, Stephen Harper. No comment necessary there.