AdrianF
join:2008-11-21
Scarborough, ON
 ·TekSavvy Solutions..
| A sad day indeed...
It was a sad day, however, the only way to act right now is to keep our heads up in thinking, like Rocky said, that to lose this battle today could give us what we need to win the war tomorrow.
Bell's business practices, as stated in this article - which was well writen - are quite suspect. But now, with all the added press of the last year or so, perhaps the public will be less inclined to play doormat. |
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Glen1
These Are The Good Ol' Days.
Premium,MVM
join:2002-05-24
GTA Canada
·Bell Sympatico
| R0CKY and Teksavvy have a right to be upset but...
The CRTC is now taking submissions about the whole throttling issue. Yesterday's decision was based on the question whether Bell was discriminating against Wholesalers with respect to throttling and clearly they were not. Now comes the task of discussing the entire throttling issue, submissions by the end of February and the discussion to start in July.
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My Canada includes Quebec. |
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nixen
Rockin' the Boxen
Premium
join:2002-10-04
Alexandria, VA
 ·Cox HSI
·Speakeasy
| On the Plus Side...
When the Canadian government wants a US-style conduit from ISPs to their version of the NSA, eventually, they'll only have to deal with one ISP (not that that played into the CRTC's ruling, at all...).
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The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. -- Bertrand Russell |
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DabberDan
join:2004-11-15
Gatineau, ON | Technical differences?
What are the technical differences of me saturating my line with HTTP download(s) vs. a P2P download(s)? |
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beatsnpieces
join:2007-12-17
1 edit | said by DabberDan  :What are the technical differences of me saturating my line with HTTP download(s) vs. a P2P download(s)? P2P saturates the download AND upload while HTTP only saturates the downstream. That is my understanding of it anyhow.  |
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DabberDan
join:2004-11-15
Gatineau, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
1 edit | said by beatsnpieces :said by DabberDan :What are the technical differences of me saturating my line with HTTP download(s) vs. a P2P download(s)? P2P saturates the download AND upload while HTTP only saturates the downstream. That is my understanding of it anyhow. Okay... but if I want to be able to surf while doing P2P, I don't have a choice to limit the upstream, which I do. So, in theory, it only saturates the downstream.
How about the amount of connections/packets?
We got to put this in lamens terms to make this whole thing look even more absurd to the non-technical public. |
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romulusnr
join:2007-08-01
Federal Way, WA
| Look no further than Parliament Hill
It baffles me why the Canadians have voted twice now for the Harper corporacratic government. While it's true that Canadian Conservatism makes Lincoln Chafee look like Ralph Reed, the CPC is still going to be the big-business government. There's a price to pay for basing your poll vote on long-since-passed irrelevant scandals instead of on actual governing principles, and this is just the latest example. |
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
·North State Commun..
| reply to DabberDan
Re: Technical differences?
said by DabberDan :said by beatsnpieces :said by DabberDan :What are the technical differences of me saturating my line with HTTP download(s) vs. a P2P download(s)? P2P saturates the download AND upload while HTTP only saturates the downstream. That is my understanding of it anyhow. Okay... but if I want to be able to surf while doing P2P, I don't have a choice to limit the upstream, which I do. So, in theory, it only saturates the downstream. How about the amount of connections/packets? We got to put this in lamens terms to make this whole thing look even more absurd to the non-technical public. The issue in addition to bandwidth usage is in the number of simultaneous connections. (sessions) An HTTP session may open several (3-5) connections, but they are closed relatively quickly.
However, a Bittorrent session floods an ISPs network with 100 (uTorrent's default value) sessions PER TORRENT and they are held open until the torrent session is done. Then of course, you have to add in the DHT sessions/connections and the users who think if they increase that limit to 6000 or so, it will help them download their torrents faster. |
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bobobird
join:2008-06-08
| reply to romulusnr
Re: Look no further than Parliament Hill
said by romulusnr :It baffles me why the Canadians have voted twice now for the Harper corporacratic government. While it's true that Canadian Conservatism makes Lincoln Chafee look like Ralph Reed, the CPC is still going to be the big-business government. There's a price to pay for basing your poll vote on long-since-passed irrelevant scandals instead of on actual governing principles, and this is just the latest example. Precisely.
Who is to blame for all this - ourselves... |
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Candoo3
join:2005-01-24 | reply to romulusnr
You could refer to it as "Same shit, different day" in the Great White North. I guess we've gotten too used to government repression.  |
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tertech
join:2008-04-12
Ottawa, ON
| reply to romulusnr
said by romulusnr :It baffles me why the Canadians have voted twice now for the Harper corporacratic government. Did you actually look at our other choices?
In any case, the CRTC is not an elected body. It is an independent regulatory body that reports to Parliament through the Minister of Canadian Heritage. Now there's a powerful portfolio if I ever saw one. 
Basically the CRTC is below the noise threshold in the government's daily business unless a large number of people care enough to let their displeasure be know to their members of Parliament. As it has been stated elsewhere, not many people either know what the throttling issue is all about or could care less.
Now if the CRTC banned Canadian Idol or Hockey Night in Canada, the government would topple. |
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boast
join:2005-09-03
Miami, FL | reply to Matt
Re: Technical differences?
so if everyone switched to usenet, ISPs would be happy? |
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81399672
Premium
join:2006-05-17
Los Angeles, CA
| A good day inded
Time to put middle man out of business. Why would a company want to support other businesses when those business are direct competition. This was good ruling by Canadian regulators
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i am not a lawyer but I do play one on the internet |
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devnuller
join:2006-06-10
Hollis, NH | reply to Matt
Re: Technical differences?
Good write up on the tech differences here:
»CRTC Ruling or not, Bell's ignorance is the problem |
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amigo_boy
join:2005-07-22
Tempe, AZ
·Cox HSI
 ·magicjack.com
| reply to 81399672
Re: A good day inded
said by 81399672 :Time to put middle man out of business. Why would a company want to support other businesses when those business are direct competition. This was good ruling by Canadian regulators It seems like Canadians aren't addressing the real issue. One company is both the sole supplier to other companies, and competes with them. It should be forced to restructure to eliminate that conflict of interest. Focusing on anything else seems to miss the point.
Mark |
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cpsycho
join:2008-06-03
Orangeville, ON
·Wightman Telecom
·Rogers Hi-Speed
| Everybody write your mp, I did. Also a new thing on the horizon something good to look at just google it 
BILL C-552
Bell and rogers are gonna lobby hard against it of course. |
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rosenqui
Premium
join:2004-05-28
Kanata, ON
| reply to 81399672
said by 81399672 :Why would a company want to support other businesses when those business are direct competition. Therein lies the problem for Canadians. Bell does not *want* to support their wholesale customers, but the regulators have said that they must since Bell manages the last mile and had a regulation-supported monopoly on the last mile until relatively recently.
As taxpayers and consumers we'd be a lot better off if ownership and control of the last mile infrastructure were partitioned off into a separate company that sold the wholesale access to everyone. That's essentially what we have now, except that the relationship between the last mile portion of Bell and the retail portion (their Sympatico ISP) is nowhere near arms-length. |
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surge
join:2008-01-08
Bancroft, ON
| reply to romulusnr
Re: Look no further than Parliament Hill
Actually if you look at the latest election results a majority of Canadians didn't vote for Harper. 62% of Canadians that voted, voted for someone other than Harper, but thanks to our electoral system (first past the post) it is possible to be elected the governing party and only represent the views of 5,208,793 Canadians.
I also agree that part of the problem lies with the CRTC and the judgment being made by former execs and cronies of the big corporations. |
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shaner
Premium
join:2000-10-04
Calgary, AB
| reply to Glen1
Re: R0CKY and Teksavvy have a right to be upset but...
said by Glen1 :The CRTC is now taking submissions about the whole throttling issue. Yesterday's decision was based on the question whether Bell was discriminating against Wholesalers with respect to throttling and clearly they were not. Now comes the task of discussing the entire throttling issue, submissions by the end of February and the discussion to start in July.
BOLDED FOR TRUTH.
Did anybody here, including the story author actually read the decision?
Here it is.
»www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/NEWS/RELEASES···1120.htm
quote:
“Based on the evidence before us, we found that the measures employed by Bell Canada to manage its network were not discriminatory. Bell Canada applied the same traffic-shaping practices to wholesale customers as it did to its own retail customers,” said Konrad von Finckenstein, Q.C., Chairman of the CRTC.
“CAIP's application asked us to only consider the specific issue of wholesale traffic shaping within a specific context. The broader issue of Internet traffic management raises a number of questions that affect both end-users and service providers,” added Mr. von Finckenstein. “We have decided to hold a separate proceeding to consider both wholesale and retail issues. Its main purpose will be to address the extent to which Internet service providers can manage the traffic on their networks in accordance with the Telecommunications Act.”
CAIP screwed up here. They cried that their members were being discriminated against by Bell Canada. Turns out, everybody, regardless of customer status with Bell, is being throttled equally and in the same manner.
You can't complain about being discriminated against if everybody else is experiencing the same thing.
Now, the CRTC will be holding public hearings into the actual practice of throttling itself, so make sure each and every one one of you writes a submission to the CRTC before those hearing start on July 6, 2009. |
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cpsycho
join:2008-06-03
Orangeville, ON
·Wightman Telecom
·Rogers Hi-Speed
| Comments that are only acceptible?
Also did anyone notice what they are accepting comments on.
quote:
changes in bandwidth consumption that may lead to network congestion
Internet traffic management practices based on technical solutions or business models that are currently available or may be developed in the future, and
the impact of such practices on end-users.
This is more like a how much more efficaint can we get throttling implemented. Seems the CRTC is a total joke now. |
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