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Chicago, IL | Ten years why not 100?
I believe the 100 year plan is what AT&T is on.  |
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JohnA
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Pittsburgh, PA | Who elects these people?
I assume Carl got the quote correct.
"It was a deal breaker for me that we got the whole city."
Who elects these people who can't create a sentence that says what they mean, when making a public statement. |
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pnh102
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Mount Airy, MD
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| said by JohnA  :Who elects these people who can't create a sentence that says what they mean, when making a public statement. This is the same city that continued re-electing Marion Barry over and over. The only reason he's not mayor right now is because he chose not to run. He currently serves on the DC City Council.
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neufuse
join:2006-12-06
Indiana, PA | thats great and all...
but how about all of Pennsylvania, Maryland and Virgina's Verizon area within 10 yrs? |
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NetAdmin
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join:2008-05-22
| Ten years ?
said by »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington···eography :Washington, D.C. has a total area of 68.3 square miles (177 km2), of which 61.4 square miles (159 km2) is land and 6.9 square miles (18 km2) (10.16%) is water.[36] If you subtract out all of the greenspace, monuments, oversize buildings like the Whitehouse and the various roads, you can probably get that number down around 40 square miles. When you factor in all of the MDUs and office buildings, it makes it easier for Verizon to hit more subscribers at one time.
In other words, either these guys are crafty and way overshot the deployment time frame so they could come back in five years and say they finished early, or they really are going to be taking their sweet ass time.
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axus
join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC
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1 edit | Good to hear
I'll probably have moved on by 2018, but I think the principle is important. 10 years is fair to Verizon. Of course, the city had better get it in writing. Look at Pennsylvania for how well Verizon keeps its promises.
I'm surprised that Dupont circle area is in the 3-6 year timeline, seems ripe for the cherry picking. Not surprised that Capitol Hill is first on the list. |
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NPGMBR
join:2001-03-28
Arlington, VA
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Re: Who elects these people?
Thats not true. The reason hes not Mayor now is becuase there is no way he'd win up against Mayor Fenty or Fenty's predecessor Tony Williams. DC took off after William's admin. Barry is a has been and will never be Mayor again. Well we hope not! LOL |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
| reply to NetAdmin
Re: Ten years ?
said by NetAdmin :either these guys are crafty and way overshot the deployment time frame so they could come back in five years and say they finished early, or they really are going to be taking their sweet ass time. Or maybe it really does take a relatively lengthy time to pull new cable everywhere. Not to mention that D.C. isn't the only market in which VZ is upgrading/maintaining infrastructure. I find it humorous at times when some people think that upgrading a massive cable plant is something that can be accomplished overnight. |
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jmn1207
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join:2000-07-19
Reston, VA
 ·Verizon FIOS
| Crazy Idea
There are places in DC where people can't afford the cost of any level of FiOS service. If Verizon tries to wire these places, the equipment will most likely just get stolen, not to mention the very real danger to the technicians just being a stranger to the neighborhood with a truck full of tools. I don't think we are doing anyone a favor by forcing Verizon to attempt to wire every nook and cranny in the DC area. |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| reply to NPGMBR
Re: Who elects these people?
said by NPGMBR :Barry is a has been and will never be Mayor again. Well we hope not! LOL Don't misunderestimate Marion Barry.
That man is a political genius. After he was railroaded, sent to prison and released, he was not only able to win election (first to the DC City Council, and then Mayor), but he also used the slogan "A Man With Conviction."
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NetAdmin
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join:2008-05-22
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Re: Ten years ?
said by openbox9 :I find it humorous at times when some people think that upgrading a massive cable plant is something that can be accomplished overnight. Five years for an area the size of DC is hardly overnight.
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marigolds
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join:2002-05-13
Saint Louis, MO
|  ETF fees for cable?
This was buried in the article:
"The Daily News reported last month that Verizon was planning to impose a penalty of $199 on subscribers who cancel service. When Manhattan Borough President Scott Stringer questioned Verizon on this issue, company officials acknowledged they might impose it on special introductory rates or on package deals like the common "triple play" of Internet, phone and cable service combined."
ETF penalties are a pretty brutal deal in the cable world, where you do not got an out option when your prices are increased and contracts can be created with no termination date (making it more of a termination fee than an early termination fee).
Imagine choosing between $10/month annual increases or paying a $199 ETF to get out of the contract.
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cornelius785
join:2006-10-26
Worcester, MA
| reply to neufuse
Re: thats great and all...
^^ further proof that typical bbr posters can find negatives in anything and will complain if what is beind done by company X if it doesn't positively effect the poster
i'd love to have fios too, but i know i'd be smoking crack if i think it'll come to where i presently live in the near future. that being said, 10 years is an awfully long time for one city, but they do have other areas the need fiber too. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
| reply to NetAdmin
Re: Ten years ?
And five is an arbitrary time frame. My point is that VZ has apparently engineered their deployment for D.C. and has come up with 10 years as a viable time line to cover the city. Why do you think VZ should be able to squeeze the work into five years? |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
| reply to marigolds
Re: ETF fees for cable?
said by marigolds :ETF penalties are a pretty brutal deal in the cable world, where you do not got an out option when your prices are increased and contracts can be created with no termination date (making it more of a termination fee than an early termination fee). Even if you are in a "perpetual contract", how would a price increase not void that contract thereby allowing either party to terminate service if they don't agree to the new terms? |
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cornelius785
join:2006-10-26
Worcester, MA
| reply to NetAdmin
Re: Ten years ?
i also agree 10 years does seem like a long time for one city. from what little i know about the cabling structure of Washington DC, i'm sure the task won't be easy to wire the entire city.
my guess is that they'll take it 'slow' instead of hiting it with every crew they got. if they sent 'everything' they have, other areas would definitely get neglected, which doesn't make much sense from most any view. |
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NetAdmin
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join:2008-05-22
1 edit | reply to openbox9
said by openbox9 :And five is an arbitrary time frame. My point is that VZ has apparently engineered their deployment for D.C. and has come up with 10 years as a viable time line to cover the city. Why do you think VZ should be able to squeeze the work into five years? You take the five year number for more than it is worth.
I stated that "either these guys are crafty and way overshot the deployment time frame so they could come back in five years and say they finished early," not that they WOULD finish in five years. The ten year time frame seems to be an instance of this.
I've seen lots of project time frames over estimated so that penalties and breach of contract issues could be avoided. It is always better to finish ahead of schedule than behind schedule.
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
| said by NetAdmin :I've seen lots of project time frames over estimated so that penalties and breach of contract issues could be avoided. It is always better to finish ahead of schedule than behind schedule. Agreed, but the point of contention that I had in your original post wassaid by NetAdmin :or they really are going to be taking their sweet ass time |
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marigolds
Gainfully employed, finally
Premium,MVM
join:2002-05-13
Saint Louis, MO
| reply to openbox9
Re: ETF fees for cable?
Because the contract specifies that the price of basic and expanded basic are incorporated.
In other words, you contract for expanded basic + $x amount.
It's just like a variable interest rate on a credit card (if the credit card company directly controlled the prime rate).
Or the contract specifies a discount, e.g. a bundle contract could specify that it is for the standard rate of the services minus $30.
Now that I think about it, even with the month-to-month and year-to-year rollover packages, it should be possible to provide notice to get out of the contract at the end. Of course, the easy way to deal with this is make the renewal period in December for all contracts, but implement the price increases in summer.
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NetAdmin
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join:2008-05-22
1 edit | reply to openbox9
Re: Ten years ?
said by openbox9 :Agreed, but the point of contention that I had in your original post was said by NetAdmin :or they really are going to be taking their sweet ass time I based that partly on the fact that Verizon had stated they could wire NYC in six years (2008-2014). DC is a fraction the size of NYC and has a fraction of the subscribers.
»www.gothamgazette.com/article/te···/19/2539
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