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Comments on news posted 2008-11-25 09:41:14: With telcos consistently losing landlines to VoIP or wireless, they're hoping to make traditional POTS (plain old telephone service) connections seem more interesting, whether we're talking about Verizon's iobi, Embarq's eGo, AT&T's Home Manager serv.. ..

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cableties
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Pots calling the kettle, hello?

I have to have my FiOS landline as my verizon has poor reception in the house (aluminum sided) and I have a few rooms below grade (basement). I would only have cell but for that, alarm, and troubleshooting my cell
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voipdabbler

join:2006-04-27
Kalispell, MT

Bigger picture is national policy.

Communication infrastructure is a critical national security asset that cannot be left in the hands of private industry without stringent federal oversight. There needs to be policy decisions made at the very top of government about whether it's in our national interest to allow POTS systems to die. Cellular penetration in this country is by no means universal--in fact, it's pretty poor. I have VOIP, but given the instability of the Internet, which is easily subject to remote attack by foreign powers, I'm a little uncomfortable in putting all our eggs in that roughly jarred pot.

Moving away from POTS will have a huge cost--there are vast areas of the US that only have POTS--no broadband for VOIP and no cellular (the last data I could find regarding active cellular service in the 428 designated Rural Service Areas for cellular coverage is a decade old--the FCC isn't too thrilled to publish a lot of data on rural markets--at that time only 150 of the 428 areas had any type of cellular service, despite the fact that licenses had been issued to carriers). Verizon's recent push to dump rural markets serviced by Alltel (and Verizon put forward most of the markets on their divestiture list, not the feds) will ensure that even fewer of the 428 RSAs have any cellular service. (In this economic climate, divestiture is akin to shut down since those rural cellular carriers that still exist face almost insurmountable barriers to getting financing to purchase any of the Alltel assets.)

I can hear urban dwellers snipping that policy makers should ignore rural areas without infrastructure for cellular or broadband. I would remind policy makers and others that historically, although urban populations can swell, they can quickly decrease as people migrate in a disaster. (The bubonic plague had a long term impact on European cities, which had grown considerably before the plague's outbreak. Once the plague did break out, urban populations shrank drastically and quickly, not just due to death but to migration, too.) Focusing all of your national infrastructure only around urban regions will come back to haunt you if populations need to migrate, especially in an emergency situation.

MrMaster
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Re: Bigger picture is national policy.

said by voipdabbler See Profile :

Communication infrastructure is a critical national security asset that cannot be left in the hands of private industry without stringent federal oversight. There needs to be policy decisions made at the very top of government about whether it's in our national interest to allow POTS systems to die. Cellular penetration in this country is by no means universal--in fact, it's pretty poor. I have VOIP, but given the instability of the Internet, which is easily subject to remote attack by foreign powers, I'm a little uncomfortable in putting all our eggs in that roughly jarred pot.

Moving away from POTS will have a huge cost--there are vast areas of the US that only have POTS--no broadband for VOIP and no cellular (the last data I could find regarding active cellular service in the 428 designated Rural Service Areas for cellular coverage is a decade old--the FCC isn't too thrilled to publish a lot of data on rural markets--at that time only 150 of the 428 areas had any type of cellular service, despite the fact that licenses had been issued to carriers). Verizon's recent push to dump rural markets serviced by Alltel (and Verizon put forward most of the markets on their divestiture list, not the feds) will ensure that even fewer of the 428 RSAs have any cellular service. (In this economic climate, divestiture is akin to shut down since those rural cellular carriers that still exist face almost insurmountable barriers to getting financing to purchase any of the Alltel assets.)

I can hear urban dwellers snipping that policy makers should ignore rural areas without infrastructure for cellular or broadband. I would remind policy makers and others that historically, although urban populations can swell, they can quickly decrease as people migrate in a disaster. (The bubonic plague had a long term impact on European cities, which had grown considerably before the plague's outbreak. Once the plague did break out, urban populations shrank drastically and quickly, not just due to death but to migration, too.) Focusing all of your national infrastructure only around urban regions will come back to haunt you if populations need to migrate, especially in an emergency situation.
What the hell? Do you live in a secluded cabin somewhere thinking that the world is going to end?

I suppose you thought Y2k was going to be the end of the world also.
voipdabbler

join:2006-04-27
Kalispell, MT

Re: Bigger picture is national policy.

LOL, do you really think that humans cannot be subject to a pandemic again? If so, you need to wake up. We humans do not control the natural world, despite what many of us think. Just look at weather as well as natural geological activities (like plate movements, i.e. earthquakes) that "devastate" human habitats. I would also remind you antibiotics only work on bacteria not viruses (and we're seeing a growing number of resistant bacterial strains due to overuse of antibiotics). My point, which you seem to miss, is that not having a national communicaton infrastructure that has significant geographical penetration is stupid national security policy. My guess is you'd be one of the first to complain if in a natural or man-made disaster you were ever evacuated to a rural area with no POTS, cellular or broadband coverage. Policy makers have to look at feasible scenarios, including worse-case scenarios like major disasters and war.

MrMaster
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Re: Bigger picture is national policy.

said by voipdabbler See Profile :

LOL, do you really think that humans cannot be subject to a pandemic again? If so, you need to wake up. We humans do not control the natural world, despite what many of us think. Just look at weather as well as natural geological activities (like plate movements, i.e. earthquakes) that "devastate" human habitats. I would also remind you antibiotics only work on bacteria not viruses (and we're seeing a growing number of resistant bacterial strains due to overuse of antibiotics). My point, which you seem to miss, is that not having a national communicaton infrastructure that has significant geographical penetration is stupid national security policy. My guess is you'd be one of the first to complain if in a natural or man-made disaster you were ever evacuated to a rural area with no POTS, cellular or broadband coverage. Policy makers have to look at feasible scenarios, including worse-case scenarios like major disasters and war.
Your basing your reason to keep POTS around is in case of catastrophic event. Yeah, like everyone is going to be in their home sitting next to their phone when an 'event' happens.

Give me a break.

KrK
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said by MrMaster See Profile :

Do you live in a secluded cabin somewhere thinking that the world is going to end?
I don't know what the cabin has to do with it, but I can tell you positively for sure that the World is going to end.

I just can't say when
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Metatron2008

join:2008-09-02
Stockbridge, GA

I can imagine fees going skyhigh when alot more POTS subs go

The ones saying they'd never get rid of POTS might think twice when their monthly bill is over $100...

KrK
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at&t isn't trying very hard....

Not when they Charge $17-$25 for a bare naked POTS line IF you bundle--- and if you want common call features add $10 to that.... then comes the fees and taxes (much of what they don't control, true... but still...)

I guess you could say they are trying because they penalty price "naked" DSL higher then DSL if you have a POTS line...

... but the high prices are driving AWAY landline customers.

You know what? Sell it for $10 a month with caller ID etc turned on and I'd bet a lot of people would keep it.
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Mark H
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join:2008-05-18
Sterling Heights, MI

Local long distance.

Michigan Bell ... now AT%T, has something called local long distance. Calls from Shelby Township to Sterling Heights are billed as long distance, even though they are side by side. Long distance in most places is considered calling out side your area code, right?

IIoohhyouandyou

@comcast.net

Hello??? Isn't a wireless home phone called....

A CORDLESS PHONE?

Duhhhhhhhhh...
equivocal

join:2008-01-23
USA

Extensions

All those people who dumped their landline for cell must live alone. With POTS having extensions so more than one person can be on the line at once is trivial. What is the equivalent with cell phones?

dvd536
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Phoenix, AZ

POTS

Lose all the crap fees!
I have magicjack and pay as you go cellphone, NEITHER have USF or any other crap fees.
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RainWind

join:2000-10-20
Van Wert, OH

$15 for line, $15 in taxes/fees

For a basic no frills line, just the dialtone, its $15. There's like $14.70 or something in taxes and fees to add on as well.

$30/mo for just a basic line? Not interested.

It jumps to $45 if you want voicemail and caller ID. That's only slightly less than the price of a cell phone with unlimited incoming and no LD charges. The mobility alone is worth it. Its only a problem if you're a heavy talker and can't wait until nights/weekends kicks in to chat.

DiscoTruck2008

@rr.com

The Business Model Cant match VoiP

Landline can no longer match VoIP. The fact is if you use DSL for your VoIP service, the line itself is being maintained by the Telcos the VoIP company (Vonage) does not have to worry about the cost of maintenance as its not their line that needs to be maintained. Same goes for Cable VoIP, Vonage doesn't have to maintain that system either. If Cable and Telco would charge more to Vonage to use their lines then the costs for phone service would be equal but of coarse higher than it currently is.

mededitor
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Fair Lawn, NJ
·Optimum Online

Still using POTS lines

Most of the people I know, my household included, still have our POTS lines. We also have cell phones (Verizon Wireless most popular around here due to best coverage), Internet providers (Verizon FiOS and Cablevision most prevalent), and television providers (again, mostly Verizon FiOS and Cablevision). I wouldn't consider any of us elderly---most of us are in our 50s, so some of you might have a different opinion ---and we live in the NY/NJ metropolitan area (suburbs, not rural).

Why do we keep our POTS lines? First, Cablevision isn't the most consistent provider of good Internet service, so I'm sure not going to trust them with my home telephone service. I've told them that every time I get calls about making the change and interestingly, I never get an argument from then about my reasoning. As for Verizon FiOS, although it's available in my area, most of the people I know still use Cablevision, so their reasoning is the same as mine. A few neighbors who have changed to Verizon FiOS love the television picture quality and sound, but for some reason are unhappy with Verizon (mostly billing issues and customer service issues). Maybe down the road I'll change my thinking, but not now. I also still use a fax machine, which is another reason to keep my POTS lines.

My husband is disabled and I have to have reliable home telephone service. My POTS lines provide that. Is it way too expensive? Yes, we're nickeled and dimed for everything, including things that should be standard service, which is absolutely ridiculous. I don't like it, but the scale hasn't tipped far enough for me to give up POTS, at least not yet.

Just my personal observations...
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chiadi

@rr.com

LL

We keep out landline (basic pkg) because we need to for ADT alarm. And its' handy in storms with power outages... other than that, i hate at&t. Love my iPhone 3G though. Great 3G coverage in B'ham, Al.
ADT system has cellular backup also. Good to have both.

eat it

@direcpc.com

the world is gonna end!!!

Well it may not end but google it anyway, 2012 dec 21st. There's tons of info out there about what will happen some think it's the end and some think there will be a series of disasters. I like the people who think something good will happen myself always the optimist.
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