amungus
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| so, when will they...
Stop acting like a**holes and suing regular people?
Sure, bootlegging is wrong and all, but the legal catastrophes aren't helping anyone except the lawyers, who laugh at both sides.
So they've proven people will buy digitized music online. That's great. Too bad most of those were probably lossy formats. How about offering FLAC with pdf files for art?
Oh, and getting some good bands out there instead of total crap would be nice. I think the last good band WB signed was the Flaming Lips... but I could be wrong... |
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ARGONAUT
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I still like having that factory CD in my hands and it's been proven that blank CD-Rs have a shortened lifespan. |
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N3OGH
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| I rarely buy music in a brick & mortar store anymore. I'm pretty satisfied with my experience buying music from iTunes.
As far as burning songs to CD-R's, I rarely do that either. The nav system in my Silverado has connectivity to both my iPod and Satellite radio, so the DVD drive in the navigation unit is used really only for the navi DVD...
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amungus
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Yes, indeed they do. CD-Rs might last a few years, they might last 50, it depends on their quality. Most that are made in Taiwan these days, for instance, are about the lowest quality that allows for them to even work... I'd be surprised if those last five years.
Factory discs are supposed to endure for ~100 years in proper conditions.
Vinyl trumps all (storage time, sound quality, and full size art), however, and is still my preferred format  |
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nixen
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| said by amungus  :Yes, indeed they do. CD-Rs might last a few years, they might last 50, it depends on their quality. Most that are made in Taiwan these days, for instance, are about the lowest quality that allows for them to even work... I'd be surprised if those last five years. Factory discs are supposed to endure for ~100 years in proper conditions. Vinyl trumps all (storage time, sound quality, and full size art), however, and is still my preferred format Given the both the sound quality and musical quality of commercially available MP3s and MP4s, who's going to be able to bear to listen to it in more than five years.
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jmn1207
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said by ARGONAUT :I still like having that factory CD in my hands and it's been proven that blank CD-Rs have a shortened lifespan. I had no problems buying records or cassette tapes, so I don't think you will catch me complaining about the lifespan of a CD-R. I mostly use CD-Rs to store the songs in case of a hard drive catastrophe. I might throw 100 songs on a CD to play in my car, but I use a Sharpie to label it and I really don't care what happens to it after a couple of months. I just make a another with new songs when I need some fresh sounds. |
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tdouglas22
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Memphis, TN | reply to nixen
What a lot of people don't understand is that the "average consumer" is perfectly fine with the current quality of MP3 and MP4 recordings. That's why they are still selling so well now and piracy is showing no signs of slowing down. |
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last time i checked, the **AA use other peoples products and make their money off of other peoples hard work. |
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Cthen
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Re: Old School
said by ARGONAUT :I still like having that factory CD in my hands and it's been proven that blank CD-Rs have a shortened lifespan. Here is how I see it, I can buy 100 CD-Rs for $20. That 5 cents a CD. Now if you have to replace your "factory" (I thought they were all made in factories?) CD, would you rather pay $14.99 again or 5 cents?
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jmn1207
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| I know what you are saying, but the CD's he is talking about have actual physical pits pressed into the CD for the laser to read a 1 or 0, while the CD-R uses a darker region that was "burned" onto the surface and will fade over time. In some tests, under certain conditions, that time is relatively short.
CD-R's are still my best option, but $20 for 100 CD's? You are getting ripped off.  |
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Omega
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said by ARGONAUT :I still like having that factory CD in my hands and it's been proven that blank CD-Rs have a shortened lifespan. That's why I have all my music in mp3 format on my hard drive, and archived on DVDR's.
Sure, a CD-R may go bad, but that isn't a problem when you can burn it again! |
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fireflier
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Limbo | reply to ARGONAUT
True, but music stored on HDD backed up to other HDDs have really nice shelf lives too. |
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KrK
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I wonder.
You have the CD, you have a possession that has value.
You can sell it. (maybe for not much, but hey, you can.)
If it gets stolen, or burned in a housefire, it's part of your personal property and your insurance will have to payout on it.
Now skip to digital downloads.... Your laptop is stolen. You had $1500 worth of iTunes on there. You file insurance claim.... you think your Insurance company will recompense you? Yeah, right! Download = zero value.
A step further... being somewhat dilligent, and wondering if your LT hard-drive might crash, you made backups of your downloaded iTunes on DVD-R.
One day a tornado destroys your home and the LT and your backups are gone. When you file your insurance claim, you list $1500 for music you paid for and downloaded. They won't pay. Even if you could produce hardcopies of your credit card charges or whatever, I think they'd still not pay on the grounds you can't prove the loss.
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Oleg
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Birmingham, AL | CD prices
music CDS cost around $10 and older CDS cost $8,but if CD is not all that good only has tow or three songs good i better download those songs. |
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jmn1207
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Reston, VA | reply to KrK
Re: Old School
With digital downloads, you just have to provide your name and account information and you can simply redownload the songs. |
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Vtr_Racing
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Pflugerville, TX | Wake up!
Video is next. There was a article on here about Blockbuster and their CEO not liking steaming media! Step up or step aside and get blown away! |
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BF69
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Camden, TN
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Re: Old School
said by tdouglas22 :What a lot of people don't understand is that the "average consumer" is perfectly fine with the current quality of MP3 and MP4 recordings. That's why they are still selling so well now and piracy is showing no signs of slowing down. People are cheap. They can't use DRM as as excuse to pirate as you can get DRM-free songs. 99¢ must break their bank. I remember 25-30 years ago buying 45s for that much. That would be like $2-$2.50 in today's money. |
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zod5000
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| I don't think piracy is entirely to blame.
These music companies like to continually blame piracy for slumping sales, but how popular were dual casette decks in the 80's for copying tapes?
The internet has definately increased piracy, but I think there's other factors in the downfall of the music industry.
I think a big factor is the decreased quality in music. Most modern rock music is a shadow of what it used to be. It's generally washed down and over produced. Even hip hop is a shadow of its former self.
They used to focus on finding talented artists, who could create whole albums and have spanning career. Thats long gone.
Now its one hit wonders, or lame-ass bands. I would guess alot of the money these companies are making now are from back catalogs of more popular bands. Itunes and simlar online digital retailers, increase the problem, because now these bands that only have one or two good tracks on a cd can only sell one or two tracks. They can't sell a whole album, drastically reducing how much money a record company can suck of them.
They also make alot of money when people turn over their catalogs. IE records to tapes to cd's. Now you can turn a cd into an mp3, you don't have to rebuy your catalog. They made huge money when people convert their catalogs, movie companies too.
Another reason is DVD's are similar in price to CD's and you get a 100 million dollar hollywood movie for the same price as a disc of music. I don't think video tapes were that competitve against cd's 15 years ago.
I think piracy results in a small number of lost sales (most stuff download probably wouldn't of been bought in the first place). The quality of music has declined, and their selling crappy product and the kids aren't going to buy it. |
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BloodRoses
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Re: CD prices
I'd love to get CD's for 10$. I'm generally happy to find a record for 20$, and I've seen them charging as much as 80$ for 1 CD in the U.S.
It's often cheaper for me to have a family member buy the CD in Great Britain, and ship it back to me. Quite often, when I go there to visit them, I go on a huge CD shopping spree. £8.99 per CD. |
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idonthtinkso
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Re: I don't think piracy is entirely to blame.
I think the better question is, how popular were dual cassette decks in the 2000's?
Pushing obsolete technology like the CD out of step with todays trends (as evidenced by Atlatic) will always lead to ruin.
Anybody want to buy a state of the art dual cassette player/recorder? |
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