Noah Vail
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| Hmmmm. Maybe no.
Lots of folks here know how rabidly anti-porn I am.
Even so, I'd like this a lot better as an opt-in.
Railroading people into healthy choices usually doesn't work out too well.
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| said by Noah Vail  :Lots of folks here know how rabidly anti-porn I am. Even so, I'd like this a lot better as an opt-in. Railroading people into healthy choices usually doesn't work out too well. If they stuck to blocking sites offering up illegal material, I'd have no problem with it. But blocking sites that some pol might not like is venturing in to an area similar to the "Great Firewall of China" - blocking material unliked(but legal) by the admin in power.
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So who gets to decide what is illegal? Would piratebay.org be considered illegal? They don't do anything illegal. They are a search engine just like google (not entirely). Are they going to filter out google because it has the same if not more powerful way of accessing "illegal torrents." If I lived in Australia I would probably start thinking about using a VPN to keep all my data secure and unfiltered. |
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Noah Vail
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Re: Hmmmm. Maybe no.
I'm liking the idea of government blocking, less and less.
In Australia, of all places. This doesn't fit my stereotype of the Australian people, at all.
Maybe if the ISP's unilaterally offered up their own filtering option, the government would back off.
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As soon as this starts, church an state will hold hands and soon, only certain choosen religions will be searchable on the net, as well as what they deem suitable to people to view.. Which usualy means.. No nudity, science, free random thoughts, creativity that doesn't bring in revenue for the churches... This sounds like the Catholics back in the midevil times come to think about it... Hmmm...
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The only folks who favor filtering are clueless politicians and fascists who love to tell everyone else what they can and cannot do, but who, at every available opportunity, do it themselves. (see also Larry Craig, et al. for the endless list of American hypocrites.)
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Hmmm... Tor sounds like it might gain some speed in AU. It is already used to bypass the Great Firewall of China. Now... the Great Firewall of Australia? ... |
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Godwin's law has been invoked. This thread is done. |
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Re: Hmmmm. Maybe no.
How To Bypass Internet Censorship And Filters: A Guide To Circumvention Technologies And Anonymous Browsing »www.masternewmedia.org/privacy_s···1118.htm |
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Re: illegal?
said by swhitney2003 :So who gets to decide what is illegal? Would piratebay.org be considered illegal? They don't do anything illegal. That of course is the crux of the question. I don't know much about Australian government, but were there ever any Thomas Jefferson-like political figures there? Surely as a capitalist nation they must be reconciled to the idea that a government big enough to give them all they have can also take everything away.
It raises lots of bureaucratic questions too - does the federal government have all the say in what is blocked? What about local governments? Are any URLs to be blocked put to referendum (the answer is "of course not", but I digress")?
Piratebay.org somewhat by your own admission isn't a perfect example for your point, as someone here will argue that they should be blocked because of their clear intent at flaunting copyright (an international phenomenon, per the Berne Convention)...a quick look at their hilarious threat letters page shows they simply disregard legal threats, and their logic around the "distribution of copyrighted material" argument could be said to be nothing more than a technicality... Regardless, I know what you are getting at and agree. 
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said by major marco :The only folks who favor filtering are clueless politicians and fascists who love to tell everyone else what they can and cannot do, but who, at every available opportunity, do it themselves. (see also Larry Craig, et al. for the endless list of American hypocrites.) Leave the Internet alone and let people decide for themselves what information they do and do not want to be exposed to. I could not agree more. They need to stop their rampant "I am God" attitude. People should make their own damn choices on what they want to view. The fact that second list of NON-ILLEGAL things is OPT OUT instead of OPT IN just shows their damn desire to have control of what the people should watch. What is deemed illegal anyway? What they chose? Why would anyone trust a bunch of tyrant minded people their choices and freedom? I would certainly not. |
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said by jjoshua :Godwin's law has been invoked. This thread is done. Only true if you have never lived in a totalitarian state, or never felt, sixty years after WWII the divisions over personal culpability and gesamtschuldgefuehl.
Even in 2001, there was contoversy over a sculpture in Aachen, due to its use of the hackenkreuz. We still forbid symbols out of fear.
Sorry, Goodwin's law is nonsense, most of us who have lived through Romnanian dictatorship, or stasi in the DDR would prefer anything at all to the government having any say at all in personal morals.
When the economy is the central issue in peoples' lives, decisions are very different than when pesonal freedom may be lost in one unfiltered word.
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Re: Hmmmm. Maybe no.
said by Noah Vail :Maybe if the ISP's unilaterally offered up their own filtering option, the government would back off. I am curious why you find this to be any more palatable.
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Re: illegal?
Nice generalization but untrue.
Conservatives aren't in power in Oz..
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_po···ustralia
A little research is good before you sound like a complete asshat.
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Re: Hmmmm. Maybe no.
said by Noah Vail :I'm liking the idea of government blocking, less and less. In Australia, of all places. This doesn't fit my stereotype of the Australian people, at all. Maybe if the ISP's unilaterally offered up their own filtering option, the government would back off. NV You don't know enough about the Australian people
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Re: church and state
said by jjoshua :Godwin's law has been invoked. This thread is done. Your invocation of Godwin's law is misapplied. The comparison made is a valid one. Godwin's law is not invoked at the mere mention of "Hitler" or comparison thereto if they have some relevance or validity.
My understanding is that the OP is pointing out that the filters being put in place are very Third Reich-like in the effort to control information and the free access to it. The authoritarian nature of what is being worked out in Australia with these filters and the comparison to past authoritarian practices is valid.
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Re: Hmmmm. Maybe no.
said by Noah Vail :Even so, I'd like this a lot better as an opt-in. If they are going to do this, agree. Although there seems to be no reason for the Australian government to be in the business of creating and updating filters on offensive or illegal material. It is a massive duplication of effort in light of the long list of currently available products that perform filtering of content. Instead of making an opt-in content block, the taxpayers of Australia would be better served if that government educated internet users of their options for filtering instead of getting into the content filtering business.
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