  Jodokast96Stupid people really piss me off.Premium
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kudos:2 | FIOS? Optimum Online, FrontierNet top magazine's ratings... And FIOS smokes them both at 931. | |
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New Freedom, PA | Oh Sure don't put the new Clear.. They must be scared.. lol | |
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kudos:5 | Re: Oh Sure don't put the new Clear.. Oh Sure don't put the new Clear.. What are you talking about? | |
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New Freedom, PA | Re: Oh Sure don't put the new Clear.. Clear/XOHM is an ISP and they are not listed.. It was a joke my friend.. Have a nice day..  RELAX... | |
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Camden, TN | PC mag sucks They force you to register if you want to see the PDFs. WTF? Nice way of getting me to NOT to continue to visit your site PC mag. | |
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| Smile__Premium
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New Freedom, PA | Re: PC mag sucks That's how consumer reports is... I just go to Barnes and Noble and sit in cafe and read the mag's and drink coffee.. lol | |
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New Freedom, PA | Re: PC mag sucks It gets a lot of money from the comapnies who pay them to advertise that they write a good article on that companies product. Just like JD Powers awards.. You can't as a company say that someone said you had a great product without buying the rights to the article. | |
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Stony Brook, NY | Re: PC mag sucks Except Consumers' Reports doesn't do that. They accept no advertising and do not allow their reports to be used in advertising.
From their website:
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We accept no advertising and we are not beholden to any commercial interest. ...Such information may not be used by others in advertising or to promote a company’s product or service. In addition, this policy precludes any commercial use of any of Consumers Union’s published information in any form, or of the names of Consumers Union®, Consumer Reports®, or any other of Consumers Union’s publications or services, without our express written permission. If Consumers Union learns that this policy has been violated, it will take all steps necessary to prevent the misuse of its names or of any of its materials, including legal action where appropriate. | |
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kudos:5 | said by Smile__:That's how consumer reports is... I just go to Barnes and Noble and sit in cafe and read the mag's and drink coffee.. lol While I always appreciate frugality, keep in mind that PC Magazine is ad supported. Consumer Reports is not.
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New Freedom, PA | Re: PC mag sucks Okie Dokie Smokie.. Not sure why your being so defensive over this blurb... Nothing against anything here... But thanks for pointing somethings out.. Have a great day my friend.. | |
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Pasadena, TX | I subscribe - I pay them money each year - and its the best money I spend on any publication.
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| |  evilpeppardAlways Fight For FreedomPremium
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Aurora, CO | Re: PC mag sucks Thanks for attaching this. | |
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join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | Comcast, 33% of satisfied users Not too surprised. | |
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 mrchrisOut and aroundPremium
join:2002-10-01
North Babylon, NY | Speeds Why are they all under 1000 kbps? | |
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| BF69Premium
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Camden, TN | Re: Speeds said by mrchris:Why are they all under 1000 kbps? Try READING the article before commenting. | |
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
kudos:18
4 edits | Skewed? Some people must have some seriously hosed computers/lines or fried routers!
2345.48kbps using THEIR tool - on Comcast.
EDIT: Full Size Image.
*NOTE*: See speedo needle burried?
EDIT2:
A few more screenies/test runs.
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| | dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM
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kudos:18 | Re: Skewed? said by Karl Bode:I assume Powerboost would give Comcast an edge in this test as well? One would think, huh?
Using their own "tool" I blew everything out of the water.
... and considering most Comcast subs also have PowerBoost, why are their numbers so low?
I call Bullshit on PC Mag!
Browsing is not bandwidth intensive, and PowerBoost will last for 40MB...
There is no way browsing will run PowerBoost long enough to drop back.
Test results at PC Mag are wack!
Yet another PC Mag Red Herring.
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| | | | dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM
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kudos:18 | Re: Skewed? said by Karl Bode:I'll have to fire them an e-mail inquiring why cable operators who've deployed Powerboost didn't score higher....that does seem odd. Yes! Thank you!
Several cablecos are using it and they all score low? 
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3 edits | said by Karl Bode:I assume Powerboost would give Comcast an edge in this test as well? A lot of the Browsing Speed depends on the users computer and its speed in resolving all the various links on a web page and how fast it can complete calling them up. Line speed makes up only a small portion of what Surfspeed measures. Also, the locations of the servers used by Surfspeed (mostly East & West coasts) can skew the results by region.
My results on a powerboosted Comcast link in NJ, which has short distances to some of these servers, but many servers are on the West Coast.
More info on a post from yesterday:
»RE: The Fastest ISPs for BROWSING - not file transfers
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kudos:18 | Re: Skewed? NJ?
CA here...
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| | | JoelC707Premium
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Stone Mountain, GA
kudos:4 | said by fAcEtIOUs:Line speed makes up only a small portion of what Surfspeed measures. Also, the locations of the servers used by Surfspeed (mostly East & West coasts) can skew the results by region. Exactly. This whole test is a good idea but they're reporting it wrong. They're reporting it as if it were still a basic speed test. I wonder how many users got pissed because they scored low on DSL, saw cable was much faster, switched and their score never went up? If they really want this to be effective they need to report all the other factors and show the user exactly what is the slow point. Perhaps the DNS servers you use are slow/bogged down. Perhaps your computer is slow or your router is limiting you. If you don't fix any of those, you can switch providers all you want and never gain anything.
This test shouldn't be about the ISP at all. They need to report it like Vista's scoring system. Give you a score for each component and an overall score. If you've got an old single core CPU, adding a 4870 GPU will give you a nice score in that category but won't do anything for the overall score. It certainly won't let you play Crysis any better (hell if at all in that scenario). So why would changing the ISP (as they seem to indicate) make your surf speed any faster if your computer is riddled with viruses or you still use a router with a 10Mb WAN port? | |
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Yarmouth Port, MA
kudos:5 | said by Karl Bode:I assume Powerboost would give Comcast an edge in this test as well? It would, but higher latency would also hurt them in time from the first HTTP "get" until the final resource finishes loading.
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Golden, CO
kudos:2 | SurfSpeed tests differently...but logically... The tool likely takes DNS resolution, latency and other such issues into account. People with slow computers using IE will register lower than a properly tuned system... | |
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join:2002-09-03
Smithfield, NC | No Embarq I wondered why Embarq, the 3rd(?) largest DSL provider in the country wasn't shown in the results.
After downloading the program, I found out. Embarq isn't even included in the ISP list in the program (and you can't type it in, either). Fail, PC Mag.
My connection tests at 1916 kb with a very busy machine (running DVD and XVID encodes and several browser tabs open) at nearly 1 PM.
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| dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
kudos:18 | Re: No Embarq said by MrMoody:I wondered why Embarq, the 3rd(?) largest DSL provider in the country wasn't shown in the results. After downloading the program, I found out. Embarq isn't even included in the ISP list in the program (and you can't type it in, either). Fail, PC Mag. My connection tests at 1916 kb with a very busy machine (running DVD and XVID encodes and several browser tabs open) at nearly 1 PM. Yeah, PC Mag is a joke.
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Mcmillan, MI | worthless! IMO, PC Magazine ISP speed tests are WORTHLESS!!!
Why? Because they don't break it down by plan speeds.
For example, they show an average speed of 733Kbps for TimeWarner/RoadRunner. If that's on 1Mbps plan, it's not too bad. If that's on a 10Mbps plan, that's awful.
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Saint Louis, MO | Uverse? I found it interesting that there was no Uverse listed, unless I missed it. One would expect it to be significantly different from regular ATT Dsl(from non uverse areas). | |
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 joebarnhartPaxio evangelist
join:2005-12-15
Santa Clara, CA | No Paxio choice :-( I guess it's not a household name yet, but I can't even type in "Paxio" for my ISP choice. Bummer!
Oh well, I like DSL Reports tool best anyway.
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| dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM
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kudos:18 | Re: No Paxio choice :-( There's Joe!
Wassup neighbor!
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Santa Clara, CA | Re: No Paxio choice :-( What's that thing with red glowing eyes, Dadkins? I think it's gonna give me nightmares... It looks sorta like an angry Aibo wearing a Santa hat. | |
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join:2001-03-11
Yarmouth Port, MA
kudos:5 | The only chart that matters -- your ownI'm in Portland, OR, and my choices are Comcast and Verizon DSL. I happen to have both. Consider this test "quick and dirty" -- but basically you shouldn't do this while you're backing up the hard drive, sharing your private Microsoft Money files over any P2P networks, or streaming video across the network.
1. Install Extended Statusbar in Firefox
2. Load a www.dslreports.com (or whatever one site that you want), reload it with Shift-Ctrl-R
3. Reload with Shift-Ctrl-R and record result
4. Repeat step 3 a few more times
Verizon DSL 3000/768
Images Loaded Speed----- Time
80/83 111KB 42.21 KB/s 2.874 sec
84/84 118KB 46.59 KB/S 2.614 sec
83/84 116KB 39.86 KB/s 2.989 sec
84/84 127KB 46.30 KB/s 2.746 sec
Comcast 6000/1000
Images Loaded Speed----- Time
84/84 118KB 40.00 KB/s 2.952 sec
84/84 116KB 38.37 KB/s 3.024 sec
82/84 113KB 30.85 KB/s 3.803 sec
84/85 112KB 34.61 KB/s 3.407 sec
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2 edits | Re: The only chart that matters -- your own What if I don't use Firefox?
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kudos:5 | Re: The only chart that matters -- your own said by dadkins:What if I don't use Firefox? Well that speaks for itself, doesn't it!? (snark, snark)
Use it for this test. It's cross platform. Or find something similar for the browser of your choice.
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| | | dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM
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kudos:18 | Re: The only chart that matters -- your own said by funchords:said by dadkins:What if I don't use Firefox? Well that speaks for itself, doesn't it!? (snark, snark) Use it for this test. It's cross platform. Or find something similar for the browser of your choice. Naw, not important enought to justify an unwanted software install. 
YMMV
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Trois-Rivieres, QC | Comcast with 33% just not surprising | |
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