redhatnation
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join:2005-06-02
Woodbridge, VA
1 edit |  Thank you, Karl
Well written summary.
Would be nice if the various Congressional committees, the FTC, and the DOJ, who are sniffing around this issue read dslreports.com. |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
 ·RoadRunner Cable
 ·DSL EXTREME
| AT&T is using old Telco model
Basically = AT&T wants to make the Internet become 2 parts, just like phone service = pay for the local loop, then pay for the interconnection (aka long distance  ) on a per byte rather than per minute use. |
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sousademiami
join:2003-02-04
Hialeah, FL | "You gotta pay the troll toll...
...to get into that boy's hole"
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youkilledkenny
@comcast.net | haha
@the southpark clip |
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NetAdmin
CCNA
join:2008-05-22
| Peering
Don't forget peering. Google eliminates a lot of their transport costs by peering directly with large network providers. Not only is that good for Google, it is good for network providers because their transport costs are reduced.
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Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
| reply to en102
Re: AT&T is using old Telco model
wouldnt shock me because VOIP and Cell Phones made their "Local Long-Distance" bullshit obsolete. when i lived in CT it was cheaper for me to call Seattle then Hartford. so they need to find a new cash cow.
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Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | reply to NetAdmin
Re: Peering
they also have Datacenters around the world which means they have less distance to cover to each user. which im sure effects cost and performance for everyone involved
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Asmodeus
join:2004-05-26
Spring Valley, CA
| Google to become an ISP
At this stage of the game it seems feasible for Google to begin, if they haven't already the process of becoming their own net neutral ISP. Offer people broadband speeds at a fair price, use their pipelines to get internet without having google be a watchdog outside of advertising datamining. Wishful thinking? I could be wrong. |
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
·North State Commun..
|  So, in a nutshell (a Telco analogy)
Let's make an analogy here:
Instead of the originating caller paying the long-distance toll charges, AT&T now wants to charge their customer for the long-distance per-minute toll and also charge the person their customer is calling a per-minute toll charge ... even though the person the AT&T customer is calling (or has been called by) may have a completely different phone company. |
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jmn1207
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join:2000-07-19
Reston, VA
 ·Verizon FIOS
| Broken System
This story underlines the basic faults with most major corporations. The focus on providing a quality service or product is completely lost. Instead, making money becomes the business. Whatever they are selling is just a means to an end and it is all about the profits with little or no regard to what is being sold or what initially made them successful.
If Google were to fork over 2 billion dollars, only .0001% of the wealthiest employers would see any benefits. I'm offended that it was even mentioned that the regular consumer could save money on our internet service if only Google paid their "fair share". That is complete BS.
I'm sick of these mega-companies with their skeleton crews and piss-poor customer service making enormous profits while spreading this wealth in such a lopsided, anti-consumer distribution ratio. |
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DarkLogix
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX | LOL@ed
its hard to believe that At&t could be so dumb |
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woody7
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join:2000-10-13
Torrance, CA | reply to Matt
Re: So, in a nutshell (a Telco analogy)
hmmm......isn't that what the cell phone companies do?you pay for incoming and out going........
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Asmodeus
join:2004-05-26
Spring Valley, CA
| reply to DarkLogix
Re: LOL@ed
said by DarkLogix  :its hard to believe that At&t could be so dumb Yeah, but their stupidity is shaping policy at this point. I'm not hearing the loud clarion call from the net neutrality advocates at this point and they don't have enough cash to pressure Washington to give them a fair hearing. |
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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Re: So, in a nutshell (a Telco analogy)
said by woody7 :hmmm......isn't that what the cell phone companies do?you pay for incoming and out going........ I believe you're onto something there .... |
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probboy
join:2008-01-10
Natick, MA
1 edit | reply to Asmodeus
Re: Google to become an ISP
Based on recent events (like the 700Mhz auction), Google has no desire to become an ISP since that would take money and decrease their profits.
Of course, if someone else is willing to give them spectrum for free (i.e., the white space debate) and someone else is willing to pay for the infrastructure (like sheeple buying white space adapters), Google is gladly ride on top of it serving up ads and collecting a buck. |
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to redhatnation
Re: Thank you, Karl
said by redhatnation :Well written summary. Would be nice if the various Congressional committees, the FTC, and the DOJ, who are sniffing around this issue read dslreports.com. You are assuming Congress is actually smart enough to see through the BS spewed by these so called "objective" lobbyists. |
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DarkLogix
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
·Comcast Workplace
·Comcast
| said by moonpuppy :said by redhatnation :Well written summary. Would be nice if the various Congressional committees, the FTC, and the DOJ, who are sniffing around this issue read dslreports.com. You are assuming Congress is actually smart enough to see through the BS spewed by these so called "objective" lobbyists. Your assuming that they have any interest anymore in the good of the people
so add these up
"Objective" lobbists
a non-tech savvy Congress
a congress with no interist in the people anymore
a (soon to be)president that won't veto "his" congress
a president that is just as dumb as congress
=we're in for some real ****
oh Supreme court help us |
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fcisler
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join:2004-06-14
Riverhead, NY | reply to NetAdmin
Re: Peering
Google will peer (paid or SFI) with just about anyone.
My ISP (Cablevision/OOL) hops directly out of their network right onto google's network...5 hops out of mine and then another 10 hops to google.com. |
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Millenniumle
join:2007-11-11
Fredonia, NY | reply to moonpuppy
Re: Thank you, Karl
Which assumes they even care. There is money and career to consider.  |
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
·Verizon Online DSL
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said by DarkLogix :said by moonpuppy :said by redhatnation :Well written summary. Would be nice if the various Congressional committees, the FTC, and the DOJ, who are sniffing around this issue read dslreports.com. You are assuming Congress is actually smart enough to see through the BS spewed by these so called "objective" lobbyists. Your assuming that they have any interest anymore in the good of the people so add these up "Objective" lobbyists a non-tech savvy Congress a congress with no interest in the people anymore a (soon to be)president that won't veto "his" congress a president that is just as dumb as congress =we're in for some real **** oh Supreme court help us Hope and Change.
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