baineschile
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| The third giant?
Dont forget Cable, they added 71% of all new broadband subscribers last year, and with fiber very expensive and time consuming (all NYC by 2014? By then, TWC will have 500mb internet itself) which just solidifys cables position, at least for the next few years. |
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Matt
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|  Research Triangle Park
They also service the RTP/Durham area in NC. The Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill area would be a VERY lucrative area for them as it's full of technology minded, high salaried people who will spend the money for a superior technology.
I would LOVE to see Verizon and AT&T go head to head. Of course, shareholders of both companies would hate to see it as it would mean AT&T would have to drop their lame duck U-Verse and Verizon would have to further increase their fiber expenditures. You can only milk your existing customers for so much money before you have to find new ones however.
(Although, AT&T doesn't believe that's the case and thinking they should be able to bill ANYONE a customer of theirs contacts.) |
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Kearnstd
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Mullica Hill, NJ | Fairfield County, CT would also be a good place. it borders a Verizon area(NY State, means semi easy links to the VZ network) and its on average rather high income.
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DrModem
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Re: The third giant?
said by baineschile  :Dont forget Cable, they added 71% of all new broadband subscribers last year, and with fiber very expensive and time consuming (all NYC by 2014? By then, TWC will have 500mb internet itself) They will have 500mb net, but you won't be able to download more than 1gb a month, and you will be charged $10.00 per megabyte over the limit thereafter. |
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BigPete82
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| Border Areas
I live in FiOS territory in Southern California in a fairly new housing track and literally half a block south of me is AT&T territory. Verizon would be stupid NOT to bring FiOS to the area directly south of me. When I take a walk through my neighborhood, literally every house I walk past with their garage door open has a Verizon FiOS ONT installed in their garage. Verizon's market share in So Cal must be very high. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if 5 out of 7 houses subscribed to either FiOS TV OR FiOS Internet in my neighborhood. Verizon should take advantage of markets like these, particularly because their only competition around here is Charter (2 thumbs down) and AT&T (half the tracks don't even have U-verse)... |
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ILpt4U
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Hello? Cherry Picking Anyone?
I love the change of tone here.
When State Video Franchise Laws are passed, the users here complain and whine about cherry-picking.
Verizon is cherry-picking by definition where they choose to overlap FiOS with U-Verse. Yet from what I see here, there is nothing but praise, and even encouragement to continue to cherry pick.
Come on people, you can't have it both ways. Either Cherry-picking is evil and discriminatory, or it is admirable & good business. |
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JPL
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West Chester, PA
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Re: Border Areas
said by BigPete82 :
I live in FiOS territory in Southern California in a fairly new housing track and literally half a block south of me is AT&T territory. Verizon would be stupid NOT to bring FiOS to the area directly south of me. When I take a walk through my neighborhood, literally every house I walk past with their garage door open has a Verizon FiOS ONT installed in their garage. Verizon's market share in So Cal must be very high. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if 5 out of 7 houses subscribed to either FiOS TV OR FiOS Internet in my neighborhood. Verizon should take advantage of markets like these, particularly because their only competition around here is Charter (2 thumbs down) and AT&T (half the tracks don't even have U-verse)...
How old is your neighborhood? The reason I'm asking is that it could be that your entire neighborhood is already fiber. My wife and I have been shopping around for a new home. Two neighboring neighborhoods, both having houses less than 5 years old, and both built by the same builder, had a number of houses for sale (4 or 5). In every one we looked at they had an ONT in the basement. I thought that odd until I realized how new the houses were. Verizon doesn't even lay copper to new houses anymore - at least not around here. Whenever you see a new development go in, you always see the tell-tale spools of orange cable. |
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Matt
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Re: Research Triangle Park
said by ILpt4U :I love the change of tone here. When State Video Franchise Laws are passed, the users here complain and whine about cherry-picking. Verizon is cherry-picking by definition where they choose to overlap FiOS with U-Verse. Yet from what I see here, there is nothing but praise, and even encouragement to continue to cherry pick. Come on people, you can't have it both ways. Either Cherry-picking is evil and discriminatory, or it is admirable & good business. Cherry picking in under served areas with no competition is bad. This is going into area where there is already multiple choices, so of course they are going into areas where they know the uptake rate will be high. It's two completely different things. If you want to classify this as cherry picking, that's on you.
Regardless, it was neat how you took my comment to speak for everyone at DSLReports. I see what you did there. |
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Karl Bode
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join:2000-03-02 | reply to ILpt4U
Re: Hello? Cherry Picking Anyone?
Either Cherry-picking is evil and discriminatory, or it is admirable & good business. Yes, because the world runs in absolutes, and there's no possible way one thing could be both good and bad and the same time, right? |
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BigPete82
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Re: Border Areas
My neighborhood was built in 2004, so you could be right, every house may have been built with a preinstalled ONT. Even so, just speaking with my neighbors, none of them want to even touch Charter with a 10 foot pole, even for tv. The FiOS vans are in the neighborhood on a weekly basis doing installs and I haven't once seen a charter van in our neighborhood since I moved in 4 months ago, so I'm still very confident with my 5 out of 7 houses estimate. |
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Matt
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Re: Hello? Cherry Picking Anyone?
said by Karl Bode :Either Cherry-picking is evil and discriminatory, or it is admirable & good business. Yes, because the world runs in absolutes, and there's no possible way one thing could be both good and bad and the same time, right? Shades of Gray, some people just can't seem to grasp that concept. Everything is Good or Bad, Patriot or Terrorist, Republican or Democrat .. |
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scrummie02
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Arlington, VA | Is that Hulk Hogan and King Kong Bundy?
Those were the days of wrestling if you ask me... |
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reelbigfish
join:2002-06-06
Boston, MA | reply to Kearnstd
Re: Research Triangle Park
Technically they are already in Fairfield County. Half of Greenwhich is already served by Verizon for whatever reason. All they need to do is start with the rest of the town and move onto other towns in southern CT. |
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bolky21
join:2007-02-06
Corona, CA
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Re: Border Areas
BigPete, are you in 92880? If so I am in the same area. Verizon did lay copper in the area as that is what I had originally for phone. But they also ran fiber while they were building the tract. About 1 year after I moved in, they started selling Fios. I was the second person in that area to get it installed according to the tech. I too see every home I walk by with an ONT in the garage. Charter simply sucked when I had them for internet for that first year. |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
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| Let's see here...
U-Verse (bundle required on lower tiers?)
$25 - 1.5/1
$30 - 3/1
$35 - 6/1
$55 - 10/1.5
$65 - 18/1.5
FiOS ($5 less with phone service, bundle discounts also)
$48 - 10/2
$58 - 20/5
$70 - 20/20
$90 or $145 - 50/20 (soon to be 100/???)
Additionally, Verizon has DSL service, though probably not available in AT&T areas
$20 - 1/384
$30 - 3/768
$43 - 7/768
On the low end, VZ DSL suffers from low upload speeds compared with UVerse, but otherwise holds its own price-wise.
If you're in the same area as FiOS and want something faster than 6/1 though, FiOS is the logical option. It's cheaper for higher upload speeds and slightly higher downloads...and your download speed doesn't go down when you're watching TV. FiOS is less clear of a choice than you'd think, but it's still the logical choice for people who use the internet even a little bit.
Of course, it would help Verizon to offer lower-end FiOS or higher-end DSL tiers to catch the people who want to pay less for their internet. On the other hand, 10/2 FiOS is cheaper than even 6/1 cable here... |
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myokitis
join:2004-06-19
Alexandria, VA | Message to Karl: I Love the Wrestling Pic
It doesn't evoke the nostalgia for me like the Rocky / Ivan Drago pic that you seem to have reserved for the Telco/MSO war, but it's effective nonetheless. Glad to see that you're still both news-savvy AND clever! |
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BigPete82
@qwest.net
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Re: Border Areas
You got it. I recently moved to 92880 from Riverside, which as I'm sure you know is exclusively AT&T territory. While I won't tell my wife this, I put a premium on the houses north of Limonite because they had FiOS. Thankfully, we got a good deal on our house anyway, but wouldn't regret it even if we didn't get as good a deal. FiOS is that wonderful. |
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jmn1207
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Reston, VA | reply to iansltx
Re: Let's see here...
I have FiOS, and I still dream about Paxio. Some day... |
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DarkLogix
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Re: Hello? Cherry Picking Anyone?
said by Matt :said by Karl Bode :Either Cherry-picking is evil and discriminatory, or it is admirable & good business. Yes, because the world runs in absolutes, and there's no possible way one thing could be both good and bad and the same time, right? Shades of Gray, some people just can't seem to grasp that concept. Everything is Good or Bad, Patriot or Terrorist, Republican or Democrat .. I never realized that shades of grey was so hard for people
I guess some just can't get past Republicrat and Democan(misspelling intended) |
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ILpt4U
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1 edit | reply to Matt
Re: Research Triangle Park
This is Cherry Picking because there are plenty of legacy Verizon areas that have NO access to broadband, and plenty more that have low-speed DSL as the only option, yet Verizon is picking these areas that already have Cable & VDSL options to spend their FiOS budget, because they feel that is where they make money, not further serving more customers with more broadband.
If that is not cherry picking to you, then cherry picking is different things to different people.
And I was not picking on you individually. Every time a story shows up here at dslreports about a new State Video Franchise, it is demonized as being a free pass for big Telcos to cherry pick. I can do some research and post some direct links if necessary. I'm calling BS, and calling out cherry picking in this instance, and the fact that it is being both defended & encouraged |
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