  ptrowski Got Helix? Premium join:2005-03-14 Putnam, CT clubs: | Comcast is scared....
They are scared of a good competing product on their home turf, and will obviously do everythigng they can do to stall/squash it.
If Comcast has a superior product, they have nothing to worry about. |
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  Rick Premium,MVM join:2001-02-06 Waterbury, CT clubs: 
| You fail to consider how allowing them entry could in fact raise prices higher than normal in time. That could happen in one of two ways. First..if you allow another company to simply cherry pick the highest ROI customers..you create an imbalance that saddles Comcast with the rest. Who gets to pay for that in the form of higher prices? All the rest.
Secondly, we've all seen the news of verizons massive loss of landlines and dsl customers. There is NOTHING conducive in that which will allow verizon to be particularly price competitive in the years ahead and if anything..due to the high cost of the rollout itself..could cause them to RAISE prices higher than normal. What might comcasts move then have to be? To do the same because all verizon would have done is to cannibalize customers who otherwise might have allowed them to keep prices lower.
-- The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic! |
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  SlickEnW Premium join:2003-01-21 Seattle, WA clubs:
·Comcast
| Wow.
Crapcast you never cease to amaze me. You are touted as the nations largest ISP, yet you feel threatened by YouTube (bandwidth constraints) and refuse to fight on your own turf (Fios deployement).
Some how you find a way to stifle creativity amongst the masses while hindering innovation and people still want to give you money.
Shame. |
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 probboy
join:2008-01-10 Natick, MA
| Fewer HD channels
"[D]espite offering substantially fewer channels (34 to 107)"
I always love the quantity over quality aspect over this topic. Getting 107 HD channels sure sounds better than getting 34, but if the bulk of them are crap (granted, good looking crap), what's the point? |
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 centc408
join:2008-11-08 Fort Wayne, IN
·Verizon FIOS
| Ugh
Okay Comcrap since you won this battle temporarily then get off your hiney and improve the QUALITY of SERVICE.
Comcrap delivers Comcrap HD Comcrap delivers Comcrap Internet Comcrap delivers Comcrap Customer Service Comcrop just SUCKS!! |
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 moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21 Glen Burnie, MD
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to Rick Re: Comcast is scared....
said by Rick :You fail to consider how allowing them entry could in fact raise prices higher than normal in time. That could happen in one of two ways. First..if you allow another company to simply cherry pick the highest ROI customers..you create an imbalance that saddles Comcast with the rest. Who gets to pay for that in the form of higher prices? All the rest. Secondly, we've all seen the news of verizons massive loss of landlines and dsl customers. There is NOTHING conducive in that which will allow verizon to be particularly price competitive in the years ahead and if anything..due to the high cost of the rollout itself..could cause them to RAISE prices higher than normal. What might comcasts move then have to be? To do the same because all verizon would have done is to cannibalize customers who otherwise might have allowed them to keep prices lower. Your first point only works if FIOS were to manage to lure a lot of people away from Comcast. If Comcast had a superior product, then this would be a non-argument.
You second point, so far, has not shown itself. In fact, neither Comcast nor FIOS really compete on price but on how many features (channels, VOD, etc.)
Are you really auguring that competition brings higher prices? Hasn't the lack of competition also caused rates to go up? |
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  major marco Res Firma Mitescere Nescit Premium join:2003-02-13 Stepford, CA clubs:
| reply to Rick said by Rick :You fail to consider how allowing them entry could in fact raise prices higher than normal in time. That could happen in one of two ways. First..if you allow another company to simply cherry pick the highest ROI customers..you create an imbalance that saddles Comcast with the rest. Who gets to pay for that in the form of higher prices? All the rest. Wow. Use circular arguments much?
said by Rick :Secondly, we've all seen the news of verizons massive loss of landlines and dsl customers. There is NOTHING conducive in that which will allow verizon to be particularly price competitive in the years ahead and if anything..due to the high cost of the rollout itself..could cause them to RAISE prices higher than normal. What might comcasts move then have to be? To do the same because all verizon would have done is to cannibalize customers who otherwise might have allowed them to keep prices lower. Landlines have zip to do with Internet connectivity and pricetag. FiOS is "price competitive" based on the simple fact there aren't any caps. That alone is what's going to kill Comcrap regardless of whatever circular logic you spew. -- The Toll
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  bull3964
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| reply to probboy Re: Fewer HD channels
But you get neither quality NOR quantity with Comcast. With them cramming 3 HD channels per QAM channel, half of those 34 stations can barely be called HD to begin with since they dissolve in a mosaic of macroblocks the instant any fast motion is on the screen.
Comcast is scared to compete, plain and simple. They would much rather spend their money on giant tv screens for their Philly office than dump it back into the last mile infrastructure which is in dire need of an overhaul over much of the country. |
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  competefairgrnds
@sbcglobal.net
| reply to major marco Re: Comcast is scared....
I'm all for competition, but as far as availability, if Comcast has to abide by franchise rules, then so should Verizon. If they are competing for similar services, they should both abide by state franchise rules. It is unfair for Verizon to freely jump in and cherry pick "rich neighborhoods" without serving "the rest of us", and yet be allowed to offer similar product offerings. |
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 saturation p
join:2002-06-07 Philadelphia, PA
| reply to Rick Sorry Rick you have bad info. "First..if you allow another company to simply cherry pick the highest ROI customers..you create an imbalance that saddles Comcast with the rest. Who gets to pay for that in the form of higher prices? All the rest."
Uh, no. Verizon and city council have already agreed to a plan that would spread the deployment out in the initial phase to prevent ROI redlining. The agreement would have made at least two thirds of the initial areas to be offered FIOS in poorer neighborhoods. With the entire city to be wired in I believe seven years.
Your second point makes even less sense because Verizon will have to charge what the market will bear. That is the advantage of competition being good for the consumer.
I canceled my Comcast video because of poor customer service and defective equipment. Competition will make them better off. |
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 JSRoman Premium join:2005-03-10 Callahan, FL
| reply to centc408 Re: Ugh
"Comcast this morning stated that the nation's soon to be largest broadband operator would be deploying their new "Extreme 50" 50Mbps DOCSIS 3.0 tier in parts of Baltimore, Chicago, Atlanta, and Fort Wayne, Indiana. "
»Comcast: 50Mbps Now Available In 20% Of Markets |
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 cornelius785
join:2006-10-26 Worcester, MA
| I saw Verizon should sue comcrap
there is bound to be a reason and a lawyer willing to take the case. verizon will get more money to deploy fiber with then. verizon should atleast buy ads, run commercial, send out notices, and so on to say comcrap is lying, here's why, and here's why you should get fios (where available). |
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 MrSpock29
join:2008-02-09 Hammonton, NJ
| reply to Rick Re: Comcast is scared....
said by Rick :You fail to consider how allowing them entry could in fact raise prices higher than normal in time. That could happen in one of two ways. First..if you allow another company to simply cherry pick the highest ROI customers..you create an imbalance that saddles Comcast with the rest. Who gets to pay for that in the form of higher prices? All the rest. Secondly, we've all seen the news of verizons massive loss of landlines and dsl customers. There is NOTHING conducive in that which will allow verizon to be particularly price competitive in the years ahead and if anything..due to the high cost of the rollout itself..could cause them to RAISE prices higher than normal. What might comcasts move then have to be? To do the same because all verizon would have done is to cannibalize customers who otherwise might have allowed them to keep prices lower. Only you could find a way to say that increased competition raises prices 
DSL has lost customers, some of their DSL customers have gone to FiOS. As far as landlines, many people are going wireless. If only Verizon could become the top dog in wireless. Oh wait, they are.
Now, since you raise cost issues, you do realize that the cost of rollout has dropped substantially? And if you were correct, why haven't their prices risen like you are saying they should where they have already deployed? |
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 Hooper Premium join:2001-10-22 Villanova, PA
| More Pay to Play in Philly
There concerns should read: 1. Whether a minority firm should get an ownership stake in Verizon's Philadelphia operation. 1. My cousing Tracy is out of work and he needs a job that he isn't qualified for.
2. whether sufficient penalties are in the deal to ensure Verizon's performance 2. We need to offset the fact that many more folks are leaving the city than moving into the city. So if you don't wire up the crack houses in North Philly, you need to pay.
3. Whether Verizon is contributing enough to public-access channels 3. You aren't lining our pockets as much as Comcast. |
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  n2jtx
join:2001-01-13 Glen Head, NY
·Optimum Online
| reply to moonpuppy Re: Comcast is scared....
said by moonpuppy :Your first point only works if FIOS were to manage to lure a lot of people away from Comcast. If Comcast had a superior product, then this would be a non-argument. You second point, so far, has not shown itself. In fact, neither Comcast nor FIOS really compete on price but on how many features (channels, VOD, etc.) You are quite correct on this. I have a choice between FiOS and Cablevision and there is no price advantage from switching between one or the other. On this point alone, Cablevision has managed to retain a significant market share in areas where FiOS is available. As for me, I am sticking with CV because it works and I have no complaints. If FiOS came along with a steep discount, I might be willing to talk but that is not going to happen. |
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  ptrowski Got Helix? Premium join:2005-03-14 Putnam, CT clubs:
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| reply to Rick I did not fail to consider it Rick, I remember your arguement from the last thread about Fios in Philly. It is NOT going to raise prices due to some cherry picking, let's be real here. If the offerings Comcast has are a superior product, then they will not lose their any subscribers. Pretty cut and dry there.
As for landlines, etc, that should only help Comcast's stability by picking up some of those people, now wouldn't it? That is not going to make them jack up the prices on Fios right after they get into PA. You are using the same scare tactics that Comcast obviously used in Philly. Prices are going to rise no matter what, we have all seen that.
So do you disagree that competition is not good for the market and consumers? -- "So, Lone Star, now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb."
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  Rick Premium,MVM join:2001-02-06 Waterbury, CT clubs: 
| reply to moonpuppy "Hasn't the lack of competition also caused rates to go up?"
I don't think that Comcast, nor most tv companies for that matter..have unfairly raised prices and in fact...todays prices reflect a far better value than they used to.
I don't know about you..but back in the day I used to pay 300.00 a month for dial up internet by the hour. Today..it's 20 to 50 dollars depending on who we're talking about. Back in the day I used to get a few channels in black and white. Today..it's dvr's and high def and widescreen and color.
Prices are higher..but so too is quality and speeds and dependability.
Despite some having a monopoly over the years..it's created a lot of innovation and value.
Year after year..comcast has raised HSI speeds and features..and charged zero dollars more for it. Does that sound like a monopoly abusing it's power to you? It certainly doesn't to me.
What has caused rates to go DOWN however for many consumers..is bundling of products. And that's why so many landlines and dsl customers are fleeing the telco's. Because people are getting better deals by doing just that.
This is a sign of how a company growing larger and people moving more services to them DOES lower prices.
I stand by my comments. I'm not against competition..nor against Verizon going into areas with fios. I think it's a good technology and wouldn't mind having that choice myself. But it does need to be thought through for the reasons I mentioned. It COULD lead to higher prices overall and actually be self defeating. People are failing to realize how the loss of landlines and dsl will be devastating to this company in the years ahead. And how it may weaken them. There is nothing conducive in that..combined with the high costs of a fios rollout..to fios in the years ahead being an inexpensive product. Again...I ask the question...what good does that do for consumers if all you did was to serve to weaken the other company?
You cause prices to go UP for everyone. -- The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic! |
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  darcilicious Cyber Librarian Premium join:2001-01-02 Forest Grove, OR
·Verizon FIOS
·Comcast
| reply to probboy Re: Fewer HD channels
One person's "crap" is another person's preferred programming By offering a wide-range of programming it seems to me that FiOS can meet the needs of a wider range audience.
And let's face it, all cable/satellite providers are playing the numbers game -- Comcast included ("let's see if we can confuse the consumer and talk about 'HD choices' instead of the number of HD channels").
Anyhow, given the choice between more HD channels (60+ in the Extreme HD package), better quality HD channels, abd higher Internet speed (20/20, no caps) versus less HD channels (34 max in my market), less bandwidth per HD channel (e.g. worse picture quality) crap Internet speeds (our neighborhood node sucked the last six months I was on it), and raising prices while removing channels, it was a no-brainer in my case. |
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 russotto
join:2000-10-05 Collegeville, PA
| Verizon should just take its football...
and go home. Screw Philadelphia. After the council voted to delay the vote, Verizon made some concessions as to where to wire first. Know what the council did? They said that since delaying the vote got stuff from Verizon, they'll just delay some more and get more. That's pretty much textbook bad-faith negotiation. |
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 BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15 Everett, MA clubs:
·Comcast
| reply to major marco Re: Comcast is scared....
Don't even bother , he has great service and there fore every one else is wrong.
Like cable didn't cherry pick when they first started rolling out either. I mean really no company is in this to make money to grow more , they are all in it to make sure the customer is happy and thats all that matters.
Comcast makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside when they stand up to the mean telcos and help us consumers out like this.
I for one welcome our new entertainment overlords comcast , and may I say as a qualified entertainment consumer i should be kept around to help get other customers from the nasty big company telcos turned over to the light side of comcast. -- "It's always funny until someone gets hurt......and then it's absolutely friggin' hysterical!" |
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