TSI Gabe
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Chatham, ON | Happy Birthday!
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Hazy Arc
join:2006-04-10
Greenwood, SC | Honestly...
...how much of a problem is spam? It is very rare that a spam message finds its way to my Gmail inbox or my work e-mail inbox. Spam filters are quite competent at catching 99% of spam that it has basically become a non-issue. |
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dbmaven
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| It will only get worse...
Wait until our high tech representatives get their way with 'Network Neutrality'.  That will make Can-Spam look like a winner.... |
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Nightfall
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| Well, something will need to be done eventually....
Sure, with spam filtering and such, spam is less of a headache. Still, with the millions of spam mails that are sent every day, its just a matter of time until something else needs to be done to fix this problem. The real issue is that the email system we have in place today is the same one the military used back when the internet was private. It hasn't changed and it needs to be changed in order to curb the spam problem.
Whats the solution here? Besides an overhaul of the email system OR implementing a new system, there is no easy solution. Any major overhaul will require a lot of money in retooling what everyone else has. Every mail server will need to be patched. This is just me thinking on the surface here.
Until we make a change to the system itself, these problems won't go away. They will only get worse. The government's attempt to curb this problem did nothing.
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void_of_Ligh
join:2005-12-27
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| reply to Hazy Arc
Re: Honestly...
According to Cisco about 90% of all email is spam. So for every 1 email you get 9 were blocked as spam. Think of the time money and resources that must be used to deal with this problem. If nothing else think of how much faster the net would be if we got rid of all this crap. I say we kill all the spam filters for a month, including the ones for government. I bet something would be done then. |
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TSI Gabe
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Chatham, ON
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Re: Happy Birthday!
Spammy |
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wifi4milez
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| reply to Nightfall
Re: Well, something will need to be done eventually....
said by Nightfall  :Whats the solution here? Besides an overhaul of the email system OR implementing a new system, there is no easy solution. Any major overhaul will require a lot of money in retooling what everyone else has. Every mail server will need to be patched. This is just me thinking on the surface here. Until we make a change to the system itself, these problems won't go away. They will only get worse. The government's attempt to curb this problem did nothing. Bottom line, there is no easy answer to the SPAM problem.
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Packeteers
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| said by Nightfall :Bottom line, there is no easy answer to the SPAM problem. actually, there is... charge money to send every email. |
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mod_wastrel
join:2008-03-28
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| Spam: A real boon...
to all of the companies that sell anti-spam tools for commercial/business organizations, universities, govt. entities, etc. I wonder... would they lobby to eliminate spam now? (even if our govt. representatives were listening to "the people"?)
Yes, you Can Spam... all you want to. |
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meh37
@verizon.net
| reply to Nightfall
Re: Well, something will need to be done eventually....
CAN-SPAM wasn't designed to eliminate spam; it was designed to merely establish guidelines to be followed by those who send it. And that's all it's done. Those "high profile" cases were about spammers who violated the 'restrictions' (and I use the term loosely). As was said, making ALL spam opt-in would be a great first step. (Yeah, that'll happen.) |
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bent
not broken
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| reply to Packeteers
said by Packeteers :said by Nightfall :Bottom line, there is no easy answer to the SPAM problem. actually, there is... charge money to send every email. SHHHH!! Don't give ISPs any bright ideas.
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TheWickerMan
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| reply to Packeteers
said by Packeteers : actually, there is... charge money to send every email. And since a lot of spammers use hijacked machines to send their crap out, that will accomplish nothing. |
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wifi4milez
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| said by TheWickerMan :said by Packeteers : actually, there is... charge money to send every email. And since a lot of spammers use hijacked machines to send their crap out, that will accomplish nothing. I think its the vast majority that do that. Charging per email will only be bothersome to legitimate users.
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anon32bat
@rr.com | no charge for sending more then (insert number here) messages a second or smiler |
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SYNACK
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| reply to Hazy Arc
Re: Honestly...
said by Hazy Arc :...how much of a problem is spam? It is very rare that a spam message finds its way to my Gmail inbox or my work e-mail inbox. Spam filters are quite competent at catching 99% of spam that it has basically become a non-issue. The problem with spam filtering is not the false negatives, but the false positives. Once in a while, I still get legitimate mail in my spam folder, so I still need to glance at its contents once in a while, even on gmail. Still, gmail filtering is stellar.  |
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KrK
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| reply to Packeteers
Re: Well, something will need to be done eventually....
said by Packeteers :actually, there is... charge money to send every email. Yeah, that will bankrupt a bunch of Mom and Pops and those who aren't computer savvy.
Most SPAM is sent by zombie relay machines--- PC's owned by viruses, trojans, and the like.
Result of your system would actually make SPAM more profitable then legitimate email marketing, and the users would be stuck with being banned for life from broadband because they owe thousands of $$$$ in bills due to robo-spam.
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DSLdewd
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Denver, CO | LOL at article title
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Jason Levine
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USA
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Re: Honestly...
A couple of years ago, our spam filter at work broke over the weekend. I signed in and saw about 500 messages in my inbox. Only about 20 were valid e-mails. The rest were spam. And this was years back. Nowadays, I'd probably have 5,000 spam e-mails for every 20 valid messages.
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Jason Levine
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USA
| reply to meh37
Re: Well, something will need to be done eventually....
The problem with those guidelines is that spammers by and large don't follow them. Every so often, the government will trot out a spammer to make an example of them, but ten other spammers rise to take his place. The government threatens fines and the spammers collectively shrug their shoulders. Many are overseas and thus outside of US jurisdiction. CAN-SPAM has been a complete failure.
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Jason Levine
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| reply to anon32bat
So you don't charge people for sending more e-mail? Wouldn't that let spammers off the hook entirely?
Or maybe you meant no charge for sending less than X messages per second. In this case, the spammers will just space out their messages. Suppose I'm a spammer. I have a zombie network of 10,000 machines at my disposal. If I have each machine send out 1 spam message every minute over 8 hours, I've sent out 4.8 million messages. As my zombie network grows, I can send out even more spam messages without triggering the "e-mail charge" system. And if I do trigger it, what do I care? The people who would be paying would be the owners of the zombied systems, not me.
Then there's the whole question of who gets the money. Charging per e-mail is not the solution.
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