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join:2003-06-05
Port Charlotte, FL | Now What Pay as we go internet? Smoke and mirrors? Or will this be part of the great broadband for all? It was so nice when the internet was much simpler and fun. | |
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| | This won't happen Except for companies like Time Warner. They are a big player in these markets as well as the cable market. Of course they will be involved.
I actually think this is more a scare tactic. They can't just come out and say their lawsuits have been a failure. They have to put the fear in people that there are consequences.
How much kickbacks are the ISP's going to receive? How much is my bill going to go up because of the added manpower and equipment this may take?
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 | mrgrock1
join:2003-06-05
Port Charlotte, FL | Re: This won't happen You will see it phrased as continued quality improvements for better customer service. A small increase to make everyone feel good about it. | |
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| | | said by kfsutops:Except for companies like Time Warner. They are a big player in these markets as well as the cable market. Of course they will be involved. I actually think this is more a scare tactic. They can't just come out and say their lawsuits have been a failure. They have to put the fear in people that there are consequences. How much kickbacks are the ISP's going to receive? How much is my bill going to go up because of the added manpower and equipment this may take? Lets see here:
Doing normal human math, it should only go up by $10
Doing ISP math: $10 RIAA tax + $5 adding-tax-to-system + $10 for ink + $20 for the ISP = ~$45 more/month.
I too also think its a scare static, and it does work for those simple minded people. When I was a young lad I used to use Limewire (what? I was young, didn't know any better! I now know pirating is wrong!...anyways) and my sister had broadband at her house before I had it at my parents and she was like "I don't want you to use Limewire because I don't want to get sued". *slaps forehead*
I know of only one person that got *caught* and all he got was a warning from comcast saying "We caught you, don't do it again!". Yeah, that will defiantly discourage him from doing it again...but for the simple minded people I guess it does work. | |
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 IM1811
join:2001-08-20
Haverstraw, NY | Just another reason to try FIOS Add this to the "10 Reasons to try FIOS" thread
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|  CheesePremium
join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
kudos:1 | Re: Just another reason to try FIOS said by IM1811:Add this to the "10 Reasons to try FIOS" thread And once everyone jumps on this ship, so will your precious Verizon. | |
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 mrchrisOut and aroundPremium
join:2002-10-01
North Babylon, NY | Pay cut Take a pay cut, Mr. Sherman. | |
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| | I doubt it too Cablevision used to send me letters almost daily. They never did anything to me. Now I'm with FIOS. I don't download as much as I used to but I've never gotten a letter. | |
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 dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
kudos:18 | RIAA is music, right? When was the last time they put out anything that was even remotely close to being music? 
Tax me bitches, watch what I do!
Download then delete... just because!
Sure is going to steer away actual paying customers too, asshats!
Why buy when you are being charged for downloading anyways?
Fuck it! Download the media!
One for the WTF and DUH files. LOL!
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|  braynesPremium
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Waterville, ME
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| Re: RIAA is music, right? said by dadkins:When was the last time they put out anything that was even remotely close to being music? Tax me bitches, watch what I do! Download then delete... just because! Sure is going to steer away actual paying customers too, asshats! Why buy when you are being charged for downloading anyways? Fuck it! Download the media! One for the WTF and DUH files. LOL! You took the words right out of my mouth.
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| | | | Re: RIAA is music, right? I'll be downloadin the heck out of it. They think i can download now just wait until this happens. 24/7 12Mbps yeah baby! | |
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| | | | | Re: RIAA is music, right? said by questionable:I'll be downloadin the heck out of it. They think i can download now just wait until this happens. 24/7 12Mbps yeah baby! Until Qwest throttles you to death. | |
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|  Doctor FourMy other vehicle is a TARDISPremium
join:2000-09-05
Dallas, TX | said by dadkins:One for the WTF and DUH files. LOL! Actually, two words fit this "plan" by the RIAA arm of the MAFIAA better than WTF or DUH - EPIC FAIL, cliched though they are.
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| CheesePremium
join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
kudos:1 | said by dadkins:When was the last time they put out anything that was even remotely close to being music? Tax me bitches, watch what I do! Download then delete... just because! Sure is going to steer away actual paying customers too, asshats! Why buy when you are being charged for downloading anyways? Fuck it! Download the media! One for the WTF and DUH files. LOL! I thought RIAA = Mobsters for the music industry? The RIAA AFAIK, they don't make music? | |
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|  Cthen
join:2004-08-01
Detroit, MI
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| said by dadkins:When was the last time they put out anything that was even remotely close to being music? Tax me bitches, watch what I do! Download then delete... just because! Sure is going to steer away actual paying customers too, asshats! Why buy when you are being charged for downloading anyways? Fuck it! Download the media! One for the WTF and DUH files. LOL! Right there with ya except I will be taking another step. I will be informing everyone I know (take note I work in retail, that's alot of customers to tell) that they are paying this tax now so it's not pirating anymore.
Yet again, they didn't think this one through.
In a way I kinda hope this gets put into place. Pretty cheap price for all the content you can get your hands on. 
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| | Don't just stop with ISPs so if ISPs have to play piracy cops, then GM should be held accountable for all auto accidents. And while we're at it, Budweiser should be held accountable for all alcohol related injuries and deaths. | |
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| | CheesePremium
join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
kudos:1 | Re: Don't just stop with ISPs said by cybercrimes:and GM should not goting the bail out I personally feel that the banks nor the big 3 should have been bailed out.... | |
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| | If I'm charged an extra $5-10 per month I'm going to pirate. If I'm forced to buy music I don't want per month then rest assured that I will pirate the music and movies that I'm paying for with the "broadband tax". No way in hell I should be forced to pay a bill for services I didn't request. If forced to pay then the **AA better leave pirates alone because pirates would then be paying customers. | |
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| axus
join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC
1 edit | Re: If I'm charged an extra $5-10 per month I'm going to pirate. Yeah unfortunately there isn't much that I'd want to pirate. Also, the payments won't make their way back to the artists even if we accepted this "bargain". | |
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| | | Yeah you can't charge for it but still keep it illegal, otherwise the RIAA is just stealing money from us (taking our money but saying we're still not allowed to download). | |
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| Doctor FourMy other vehicle is a TARDISPremium
join:2000-09-05
Dallas, TX | Arrrr! | |
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| | | said by turtle2472:If I'm forced to buy music I don't want per month then rest assured that I will pirate the music and movies that I'm paying for with the "broadband tax". No way in hell I should be forced to pay a bill for services I didn't request. If you own a home and pay property taxes, then you already ARE paying for services you didn't request.  | |
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| | aye aye Copyright infringement is a huge problem. I would not want to be in charge of trying to minimize it or fixing the reputation of the media companies. | |
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 funchordsHelloPremium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Yarmouth Port, MA
kudos:5 | Ummmm. ISPs do not have to be sensitive to CONTENT at all That's an issue we hope not to have to address. There's been, as you pointed out earlier, a real movement toward ISPs assuming a more proactive role in dealing with online piracy in constructive way that's sensitive to their subscribers, that's sensitive to privacy, that's sensitive to content, and that is frankly responsive to their needs in terms of network congestion and offering good consumer experiences to all their subscribers. No, ISPs have a DUTY to their subscribers and owe jack squat to content.
I don't want the phone company telling Sears that I make catalog orders with JC Penney. I don't want my ISP telling Amazon what I buy from CD Baby, and if ASCAP sends my ISP a notice that the recording of my family singing "Happy Birthday" violates someone's 70-year-old copyright, I would hope that they leave the matter between me and ASCAP lest they want to underwrite the copyright case of a century of corporate and legislative excesses!
COPY RIGHT -- it's the people's RIGHT to COPY. That's what it is, in fact and in history! RIAA needs to realize that The People are largely on a different page and if they want The People to recognize appropriate exceptions in the COPY RIGHT (and I think they would respect them), then they need to work to restore reasonable exceptions in the law.
Right now the COPY RIGHT law is so turned around against The People that many people just don't care anymore.
And if they think that's just insane -- ask them, what happened to the 55 MPH speed limit?
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 maartenaElmoPremium
join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA
kudos:1
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| The problem with copyright infringement is... ..that it is virtually unstoppable. RIAA and others can make it harder, but you can never root it out. Sure, I'll admit I used to download MP3's left and right as well when I was younger. This was before the P2P revolution, and everyone in my town (which was one of the first to get cablemodems in 1996) had their own FTP server to which we would log on.
I easily had 30, 40 FTP servers in my client of neighbors, friends, colleagues, etc.... we would just log on to one and see what they had. Upload was no more then 128 kbit/s, so it would take time. Overnight most of the times as sometimes 2 or 3 people were logged on. But it worked just fine.
From a technical point of view, it's actually better and more bandwidth-efficient for people to use P2P as opposed to their own little FTP servers.
With encrypted P2P just over the horizon, and P2P "friends networks" being established which are going to be hard to be infiltrated by RIAA, piracy is pretty much unstoppable.
And with the economy as it is, and people still wanting their music, it's going to be used more then ever.
There is only one solution: The big CEO's of record companies need to pull their million dollar bonuses and profits out of their collective asses, and provide music that is cheaper to purchase, AND without DRM.
I would not mind buying a set of MP3's if I also am allowed to put these MP3's on my Media Center computer, AND my iPod, AND burn them to a MP3 CD for my car stereo without being penalized for it.
DRM I think is one of the main reasons why people get their MP3's from "free" sources, as they know that this MP3 will play in pretty much every device that is capable of it, without having to verify its digital authenticity.
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| mrchrisOut and aroundPremium
join:2002-10-01
North Babylon, NY | Re: The problem with copyright infringement is... You are forgetting about the DUMBED DOWN music the big labels shit out on a monthly basis.
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| | maartenaElmoPremium
join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA
kudos:1 Reviews:
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| Re: The problem with copyright infringement is... said by mrchris:You are forgetting about the DUMBED DOWN music the big labels shit out on a monthly basis. Yeah also very true. My wife finds more great music on MySpace through bands websites than what is being promoted by the big labels with advertising campaigns.
I would rather support a band trying to make it and actually performing good music then buying the next big mass-produced label of music that all sounds the same. | |
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| | | mrchrisOut and aroundPremium
join:2002-10-01
North Babylon, NY | Re: The problem with copyright infringement is... I use Myspace for checking new artists out from time to time and to see if I like them before buying but I totally ignore the big label artist promotions for mainstream junk. Like I actually care for some half-baked male pop star's live MP3 available exclusively on Myspace.
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| | | said by maartena:..that it is virtually unstoppable. RIAA and others can make it harder, but you can never root it out. Sure, I'll admit I used to download MP3's left and right as well when I was younger. This was before the P2P revolution, and everyone in my town (which was one of the first to get cablemodems in 1996) had their own FTP server to which we would log on. I easily had 30, 40 FTP servers in my client of neighbors, friends, colleagues, etc.... we would just log on to one and see what they had. Upload was no more then 128 kbit/s, so it would take time. Overnight most of the times as sometimes 2 or 3 people were logged on. But it worked just fine. From a technical point of view, it's actually better and more bandwidth-efficient for people to use P2P as opposed to their own little FTP servers. With encrypted P2P just over the horizon, and P2P "friends networks" being established which are going to be hard to be infiltrated by RIAA, piracy is pretty much unstoppable. And with the economy as it is, and people still wanting their music, it's going to be used more then ever. There is only one solution: The big CEO's of record companies need to pull their million dollar bonuses and profits out of their collective asses, and provide music that is cheaper to purchase, AND without DRM. I would not mind buying a set of MP3's if I also am allowed to put these MP3's on my Media Center computer, AND my iPod, AND burn them to a MP3 CD for my car stereo without being penalized for it. DRM I think is one of the main reasons why people get their MP3's from "free" sources, as they know that this MP3 will play in pretty much every device that is capable of it, without having to verify its digital authenticity. DRM free music is available legally at many web sites online now. So what will be the excuse when pirating still goes on anyway?
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| NormanSPremium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
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| said by maartena:From a technical point of view, it's actually better and more bandwidth-efficient for people to use P2P as opposed to their own little FTP servers. Not with BitTorrent, I think. BT is basically no different than each end user having their own FTP server.
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| | Interesting It's funny, you guys are forgetting a very important fact.
The very fact that every one of us would be essentially paying a CD every month means that they could sit on their asses and STILL make the same amount of money as NOT sitting on their ass. So why would they spend their money if you're paying them regardless of their expenditures?
Sounds like a free ride for the corp execs. | |
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| | 3X is DOA 3 strikes is DOA, will never happen. It will kill the internet's open access policy, thus killing the value of docsis 3, fttp, vdsl, etc, etc. | |
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 PoloDudePremium,VIP
join:2006-03-29
Northport, NY
kudos:2 | Taxing And wait to see if the new taxes pass in NY for media downloads. Damn straight i would never pay them. I haven't been doing any D/Ling in a while but you bet if that tax passes i will fire up the newsgroups, get a new 500g drive and max out my 20M connection. F em | |
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| | throwshoesatriaa I suggest a big group of us meet at the next RIAA meeting. Everyone then pickup their shoes and throw it at them like they did with Bush in Iraq. Scoundrels!!!! | |
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 nixenRockin' the BoxenPremium
join:2002-10-04
Alexandria, VA | Who Pays? Well, at least one Louisiana ISP is saying that, if the RIAA doesn't pony-up, they won't be assisting with enforcement.
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| | | Re: Who Pays? i sure hope other ISPs follow that Louisiana ISP's lead of cough up lots of money if you want our help. what i'd also like to see is ISPs get on board with the MAFIAA only if the MAFIAA pays up and then implement a really crappy filtering system for dirt cheap and pocket the rest of the money being given to the ISPs by the MAFIAA. | |
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| | | | Re: Who Pays? Since 99% of all music and TV is nothing but crap these
days, it's amazing this is even a topic.
I look at it this way, I pay my bill on time, I demand the
service I paid for. As long as my bill is paid on time,
and in full, that is the ONLY thing my ISP should be
concerned with. They're in business to make money.
That's the bottom line, not be a babysitter for some
half-assed association that doesn't produce anything.
An ISP that starts sending me letters on behalf of some
association I don't do business with will no longer have
my business. I don't buy music. I can find it on the net
at any of the free radio sites. There are sites where you
can type in what you want, and it will play for you.
Speaker Out to Mic In on a soundcard and I can record it
with no one being the wiser. Since I can listen to the
music I want to listen to as many times as I want online,
why bother to go to all that trouble?
I do agree with cutting off a PC that's spewing spam and
viruses. After all, such behavior affects an ISP's network
negatively. Bottom line. I demand the service I pay for.
If you as an ISP can't or won't provide it, then I'll find
an ISP who will. Had a fun time many years ago with an
ISP in Oregon. The guy on the phone said quote: "You'll
never have internet access again." 5 minutes later, I
emailed him from a new account at another ISP.
Reason for me being cut off? Too many calls to their
service department. I told the new ISP's tech guy what
the first ISP said, and he laughed.
I just love it when people give me an attitude and think
they have some sort of control over what I can and can't
do with my computer. I bought it, paid for it, and that
means it's mine. When someone buys me a PC, pays my
electricity bill, and pays for my internet access, then
maybe when I'm old and feeble at the age of 125, then
they can possibly attempt to tell me what to do.
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| | nixenRockin' the BoxenPremium
join:2002-10-04
Alexandria, VA | Re: Who Pays? Oh well, there's always Verizon. | |
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| | Bogus Who ever said Cablevision is bogus i use limewire 30x a day and keep it on i get no caps or letters been doing this for years And i have optimum online boost .. | |
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